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I'd put the keys out of sight but as near the door as possible, cars are replaceable.
Not expecting a lot of love for this but 'new car!'
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And this expert opinion comes from where?
He is clearly more informed than you!
I know you have a complete Judge Dredd complex but you are not the law! You also seem quite inexperienced in things in general as you consistently post advice that is contrary to the prevailing (correct!) opinion.
Having had someone close to me suffer a break-in for a car theft (a Mazda RX8 when they were newish) I can tell you for a fact that it was not a quick in-and-out job - their daughter was dragged by her hair from her bed, knelt in front of the rest of the family and threatened with rape if they didn't supply the keys.
When I was at Uni in Manchester a fellow student was stabbed for simply not handing over the keys fast enough.
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Such as?
The thing is, whilst anecdotes such as you mention obviously stick in peoples minds, the car majority don't happen like that, but of course those anecdotes don't have quite the same tabloid ring to them do they?
Those aren't anecdotes, those are as close to personal experiences as I can get.
"Anecdotally", I have a member of my immediate family who is in the Police, a member of my immediate family that works all day every day with Category A prisoners and two uncles who both served full terms with the Police (one a Traffic Officer).
Why did they all advise me that, as I generally tend to have the sort of vehicle that appeals to criminals for various reasons, I should keep my car keys in a place where they are not visible from the street but visible to an intruder once inside the house?
I have had a car stolen and used in an armed robbery. Thankfully for me it was stolen the old fashioned way and they didn't come after me for the keys but I am glad they didn't break in for the keys as I lived with some friends and they would have got to them first before they got to me - potentially nasty!
Your advice is bull**** and I would suggest nobody with an ounce of sense should follow it.
If a criminal wants your car they are going to get it. Hiding your keys will only end badly for you if that stands between the criminal and your car.
I don't know if Fett still posts here (not seen him in a while) but he has gone to some fairly ludicrous lengths to protect his vehicles and even then I bet if someone really wanted his car(s) they would get them.
Seriously, if anyone wants to steal my S6: The keys are usually on top of the speaker nearest the living room door or the arm of the sofa. Try not to wake me up when you take it!
Yes let me just inform you of how I know how car theives operate on the internet, that seems really really smart and will make me look like a right big man.
Use a bit of common sense and its clear I'm right, I am not going to post anecdotal stories like I'm sure others will (and they already have) because I don't believe in one off pieces of evidence, but look at high value car crime on its own instead of all smash and grab car crimes and rolling them all into one statistic.
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There is national guidance for this which I got emailed a while ago, but don't let that stop your parade.
http://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/latest-news/2012/12/18/car-key-burglaries-merseyside.aspx
Fancy telling Chief Superintendent Rob Carden of Merseyside Police who did a load of research into this that his conclusions are BS?
Sometimes I forget why I avoid posting in motors.
Yea can you give me his contact number?
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So if you hid your car keys to say your Bentley, RR etc so well, that the car thief's couldn't find your keys, that they then persisted in to waking you and holding a knife to your throat, you'd still persist in keeping the place of the hidden keys a secret? If the answers no, then you may as well just leave your keys in the easiest place possible. If the answers yes. You're dumb.
Is this like the national guidance for the public regarding blue light vehicles, and how never to overtake them?
That looks like something a force dogsbody drew up from some old guidance. Published guidance is not immune from critique or flaws. What argument do you have that making potential thieves trawl around your house for longer than necessary is any potential reduction in personal safety risk for the householder?
Nope, they appear to be factory Stormer 2 alloys. Supercharger model gets them as standard.
http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/crimeprevention/vehicle/CarKeyBurglary
Sensible advice...
Salient point.
At no point does that guidance say to put yourself at massive risk by hiding your keys (or taking them to bed with you!!!) but instead advocates common sense. The best way to avoid being threatened with violence is to simply leave the keys in view of someone already inside your house (and not in view of your front door or windows).
Sensible advice...
Salient point.
At no point does that guidance say to put yourself at massive risk by hiding your keys (or taking them to bed with you!!!) but instead advocates common sense. The best way to avoid being threatened with violence is to simply leave the keys in view of someone already inside your house (and not in view of your front door or windows).
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Well, I'm done here. I have never said don't give over keys if threatened. If you don't agree with my advice, fine, but it's not BS and it does show your arrogance that you suggested it was.
How is he arrogant to use his common sense? Leaving your keys near a door/window is just asking for it from an opportunist... but once someone is in the house it makes absolute sense to want them gone as soon as possible. One way to achieve that is to be sure they can easily get what they want without having to confront you.
For the exact same reason my keys are left easily visible (from inside the property) on a downstairs surface. Ideally anyone who wants my car will be long gone before I even know anyone was inside.
For the exact same reason my keys are left easily visible (from inside the property) on a downstairs surface. Ideally anyone who wants my car will be long gone before I even know anyone was inside.