Halal Food - WTF?

Omaeka said:
Oh my god, what sound reasoning. Let's not do something we've done for years just because it's done through inhumane means now to suit a barbaric religion. Get a grip. :rolleyes:
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Having watched a programme recently how big business treats animals and the meat from them I'm generally avoiding big chains like them anyway. Nando's aren't bad I think, they have free range chicken rather than battery hens. Otherwise as I've actually started to be able to afford it I'm buying meat from places you can trace, with ethical backgrounds, especially chicken. It's all very well moaning about halal being "inhumane" but it's bull**** if you ignore the conditions battery chickens are put through most of their life*.

I'd rather have a nice life and then a horrible last couple of minutes of my life than send my life in horrible conditions and a slightly nicer death... So yeah, if it's really about humane treatment rather than just religious zelocy then don't eat at KFC or any other place that uses battery chickens.

*That had nothing to do with the programme mentioned, that's always been my feeling on the matter.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Hes not wrong though, Halal/Kosher meat isnt something Sikhs should be eating - yet for intents and purposes its not that easy to avoid when eating out. I doubt its well practised, but then most Sikhs are just more tolerable/better integrated...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Too right :p
 
PardonTheWait said:
But it's not an outrage, is it? Stop believing everything you read in the papers - when have you ever heard of anyone actually complaining? In your day to day life?

My ex lives in East London in an area that is majority non-white and there are England flags all over the place when the football's on, and no one cares. Plenty of them are on the houses of non-white people.

I've never heard an actual person complain about an England flag, and never heard of anyone being asked to remove one. Of course if it happens once, it's all over the papers, but it doesn't mean it's common or normal.
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I know, but did that person get deported? No. That needs to change, if you show blatant disregard for the culture of a country you live in, you don't deserve to live there.

I think all religion is complete arse and therefore believe I do not hold the right to live in a religious despotic state/country. I don't own the right to go and live in Islam, Turkey etc. if I so wished to because I don't agree with their culture. That's how it should be and it should work in all ways.

Amp34 said:
Having watched a programme recently how big business treats animals and the meat from them I'm generally avoiding big chains like them anyway. Nando's aren't bad I think, they have free range chicken rather than battery hens. Otherwise as I've actually started to be able to afford it I'm buying meat from places you can trace, with ethical backgrounds, especially chicken. It's all very well moaning about halal being "inhumane" but it's bull**** if you ignore the conditions battery chickens are put through most of their life*.

I'd rather have a nice life and then a horrible last couple of minutes of my life than send my life in horrible conditions and a slightly nicer death... So yeah, if it's really about humane treatment rather than just religious zelocy then don't eat at KFC or any other place that uses battery chickens.

*That had nothing to do with the programme mentioned, that's always been my feeling on the matter.
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A good response, I do apologise for my somewhat insulting original reply to you. I have thought about going vegetarian for a while because 90% of meat you'll eat is inhumane, it'd just easier than hunting out the free range stuff. But the only reason Halal gets to me so much is because it's society bending itself to fit a religion, religion is cool if you want to follow it, then follow it, but when everything has to change to suit them and them alone it's wrong. I shouldn't have to be forced into doing something I wouldn't normally do to fit some fairy tail written in a book that I don't even follow. If there were businesses that dedicated to importing Islamic/Judaic Halal/Coshure meat for religious people to consume then fair play, but when it's hitting all of the big food chains and secretly being smuggled into our supermarkets without us even knowing it, it's too far, way too far.
 
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Anyone who attacks and tries to manipulate the culture of a country they have chosen to emigrate to should be removed from it.
 
Doohickey said:
I think he meant the poppy burner.
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That's what I mean... this "you can't fly an English flag" thing, as far as I can see, doesn't exist.

These people are made up. When you see the stories in the paper it usually turns out to be some sort of committee for never offending anyone ever which is made up white people anyway!

Should we deport them too, so they can go and live with the ragheads?
 
Omaeka said:
Anyone who attacks and tries to manipulate the culture of a country they have chosen to emigrate to should be removed from it.
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This is true but only if you believe that the culture is the pinnacle of what cultures should be.

What if the culture was purely monarchical.. and some pesky foreigner wanted democracy should that foreigner be deported and the idea nulled?
 
The Running Man said:
This is true but only if you believe that the culture is the pinnacle of what cultures should be.

What if the culture was purely monarchical.. and some pesky foreigner wanted democracy should that foreigner be deported and the idea nulled?
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No, but England is a pretty open & free country isn't it. Is there anything oppressing any kind of religion? Not at all, yet it is slowly changing into a religiously dictated society in what we can and can't do. People are being allowed to break the law in order to not offend a minority, laws are being created to unfairly protect the minority, methods and businesses are changing to suit the minority (in reality it's just because it's cheaper but hey).

There are mosques here, they are free to spread their beliefs, but a lot of Islamic followers aren't happy with that and want everything else squashed, and it's showing, nobody can deny that.
 
PardonTheWait said:
That's what I mean... this "you can't fly an English flag" thing, as far as I can see, doesn't exist.
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Exactly. Certain types of people choose to believe it does as it adds to their argument that we now live in a nation of fear. The idiots who were burning poppies on Remembrance Day were just that- idiots, of low intelligence. From what I can see, it was an opportunity for them to make a politically motivated demonstration regarding British armed forces, rather than denigrating the remembrance of WW1.

/and now back to Halal meat...??????
 
Omaeka said:
No, but England is a pretty open & free country isn't it. Is there anything oppressing any kind of religion? Not at all, yet it is slowly changing into a religiously dictated society in what we can and can't do. People are being allowed to break the law in order to not offend a minority, laws are being created to unfairly protect the minority, methods and businesses are changing to suit the minority (in reality it's just because it's cheaper but hey).

There are mosques here, they are free to spread their beliefs, but a lot of Islamic followers aren't happy with that and want everything else squashed, and it's showing, nobody can deny that.
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Oh I agree with your sentiment entirely. But deporting people for providing ideas that differ from the defacto is dangerous as I've pointed out you would limit progress and we wouldn't have become the country we are by solely clinging to historical cultural devices
 
Another one of those threads that should have been culled straight away to spare the blushes of the many xenophobic and ignorant idiots that inhabit GD.
 
The Running Man said:
Isn't that obvious?
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No?

Why can't Muslims run an Indian restaurant? 12% of Indians identify as Muslim anyway.


Omaeka said:
We pretty much live in an Islamic state now dude, just look at the whole poppy vs mosque affair. Muslim burns poppies and desecrates war memorial and gets let off with it, white British man fires back by drawing a poppy on the side of a Mosque and gets sentenced.
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However, there is more to the story that should be told. Steven James Vasey and Anthony Donald Smith, the two men sentenced to 12 months prison, did more than just spray poppies and political messages on the mosque. They also defaced a nearby store and guest house, both of which were owned by Asian businessmen. And an upstairs window on the store was smashed with a brick. Ironically, the store was reportedly selling Remembrance Day poppies at the time of the attack. Other evidence showed that the men had planned the attack beforehand.

Thus, the attack was considered to be racially motivated. The men admitted conspiracy to commit racially aggravated criminal damage and were sentenced accordingly. But, apparently, a lack of evidence and vagaries of the law meant that Tohseef Shah was not charged with committing a religious or racially motivated crime. It was instead decided that the man's actions were politically (as opposed to religiously) motivated and the Crown Prosecution Service thus convicted him of just criminal damage. Poppy burner, Emdadur Choudhur, was only charged with a public order offence although the judge who presided over the case has been castigated in the press for not handing down a stiffer penalty.
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There's a shock, you left some pertinent information out there.
 
The Running Man said:
Oh I agree with your sentiment entirely. But deporting people for providing ideas that differ from the defacto is dangerous as I've pointed out you would limit progress and we wouldn't have become the country we are by solely clinging to historical cultural devices
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Yeah I agree, what I meant was when somebody starts to show behaviour which seeks to oppress everything which is outside of their beliefs entirely. Things can progress without everyone's beliefs and ideals leaking out into one another's, and that is what a metropolitan society is and it's the best way. But what is happening here isn't that, our society is very slowly being engineered around pleasing one set of views and ideals, and people like myself who can see that and speak out on it get labelled wrongly as racist etc. when in reality we believe that all ideals can coexist without anyone's toes being stepped on. Religion isn't more important than non-religion, people who are non-religious shouldn't have to change their ways to babysit the religious people.

Raikiri said:
There's a shock, you left some pertinent information out there.
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I'll admit I didn't know that much into it, and those men were completely wrong and deserved their sentence but would it of happened if the idiot who defaced a memorial and burnt poppies did nothing? That is completely spitting in the face of the country he resides in, he should have been deported.
 
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Raikiri said:
No?

Why can't Muslims run an Indian restaurant? 12% of Indians identify as Muslim anyway.

There's a shock, you left some pertinent information out there.
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Because most Indians are intact not run by Indian Hindus I can think of very few. Most are run by Pakistanis or Bangladeshis purporting to be Indian restaurant s or take always because they know most people wouldn't entertain eating at a Pakistani labelled establishment.

Therefore a disproportionately larger number of Indian restaurants will be halal. As 97% of Pakistanis are Muslim.

Janesy B said:
Muslims run some of the best 'Indian' restaurants I know.
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Exactly are any of them Indian or are they Pakistani/Bangladeshi?
 
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