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In which case why is the church blamed?
I don't go out and **** loads of women. If I did I could hardly complain when I get an STD.
No one ever said it was easy, but people do have choices to make in life.
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well, i did think having a link with NSFW next to it would stop the people who get easily offended clicking it, and subsequently getting offended...
aaah well... never mind.
aaah well... never mind.
It's nothing to do with being offended, it has everything to do with the stated rules of the forum.
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aaah, fair doos. just rechecked the rules, and it does say not to post adult material... for some reason i thought it was just swearing that had to be fully blanked out and off site content that wasnt embedded was ok... must have been another forum!
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And you still didn't edit it? You're lucky you avoided a suspension.
Which is irrespective because didn't the son of god himself point out that the women giving something of no worth but to her everything was everything and the massive amounts given by the rich a mere nothing.
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i did edit it, it was a clicky link... i edited it, then checked the rules, came back to delete it and it was already done
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I hope the Catholic church doesn't steal the tagline "Talk to Frank".
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I have no idea, at a guess it's easier to blame the church than actually address the fundamental problems.
Priests and Nuns are not rich..the Catholic Church only appears rich because of its accumulated collective (as such it is one of the wealthiest organisations globally)....much of its wealth is used to fund its mission and charity, not to accumulate wealth for wealths sake.
Buying your own Country and building a Palace on it, filling it with World Treasures and Priceless Art is not ostentatious in the slightest...
So why did the churches loose so much gambling on the stock market! Why does the Catholic church for example take a across the board 10% tax from everyone in countries such as Austria - yes nuns may be poor but so are the Chinese people making iPhones - don't mean the topdogs don't have their snout in the trough though does it. Not being funny but a quick scavenge around the churches in Salzkammergut, Vienna, etc and you could have enough finance to cure malaria, provide clean water for absolutely everywhere that needs it, provide counselling and support for all the adults that suffer from abuse as kids from clergy, and a whole load of other things.
That is not to say I am a fan of the atheist new philanthropists either where they make their billions and then pledge it all away. Often it gets wrongly targeted into inconsequential projects or more cynically into things like longevity and then you have to think is this really philanthropy or the start of some dodgy sci-fi film.
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Nor is believing the moon isn't real to David Icke, but objectively in both cases it's just stupid and can't be argued using facts, reality or rationality.
Not really. Both issues involve sex and that's about it in terms of a connection.
The Catholic church condemns sex between unmarried couples and condemns 'unnatural' contraception between anyone. A married couple can't use contraception and unmarried couples can't have sex with or without it so they are not linked at all other thant being in the same ballpark subject area (sex)
I think that line of reasoning is flawed (no different to the 'I can't be racist because i know a few black people' argument) but even so who are these missions?
I did a random Google search and the first Cathlic Missionary site I came to said this....
If they don't get them they can't be handing them out can they, and call me Mr Cynical but I assume when they say they provide 'complete and accurate information' on their use they mean they tell people they can split and aren't 100% effective.
And also one of the largest causers of it in the first place. You are basically back slapping the guy who shuts the doors after he's let the horse bolt. It's rather like praising people who do community service for all the great work they do in the local area and forgetting that it's because they caused negative problems in the first place they are there to clean up their own mess.
That statement is very disputable whilst the charities do a lot of work it is in the supportive role rather than preventative. And I don't class abstaining from sex and becoming a Catholic as a preventative measure at all. Would you support a charity who solely based their malaria care on treatment with artemisinins or the one who provided nets so the people never got sick in the first place.
You need to check your facts.....Austria and other countries have a Church Tax that applies only to members of the respective congregations to which they belong..and in Austria it is 1.1%, not 10% across the board for everyone in Austria as you imply. In countries where the tax is applicable to all taxpayers, they have the choice of which institution they give it to, including the State.
Whether the Church is losing money on the stock market on investments is no different to any other NGO with investments and property which funds its work...as for selling off the silver to fund saving the world, well I think that you overestimate the value of many relics and the same could be said for any country, or organisation who relies partially on owning such things to encourage visitors and donations. I suppose you could dismantle the churches, melt down everything and sell it (probably undermining global markets at the same time) and do a lot of good with it...in the short term.
Also it is clear that their is corruption in the Church, like there is pretty much anywhere people have opportunity, however that doesn't mean that we shouldn't recognise what they do right as well as criticise what they do wrong.
I doubt for most non-believers that their Athiesm or agnosticism really makes much impact on their philanthropism except where it is duely stated.
So it's changed was 10% when I was in Salzburg and we had no choice it was taken at source. Doesn't change the point about the wealth they hold and the inactivity done with it. And I am not saying they don't do some good but they've done an awful lot of wrong and could do a whole lot better. Their form continues to be shameful in regards to abuse and all the while their victims suffer they sit their in their halls of gold.
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