Considering Diagro has spoken publicly at great length about his on going battle with male pattern baldness i feel that comment is highly inappropriate Orangey.
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AMD getting revenge?
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Considering Diagro has spoken publicly at great length about his on going battle with male pattern baldness i feel that comment is highly inappropriate Orangey.
Hang on, nVidia had nothing to do with it. It was Crystal Dynamics decision to change the game, they could have left nVidia try updating their drivers or just perform bad. Instead CD decided to make a business decision and make the game perform better on nVidia cards before nVidia release a non beta update to their drivers to help with the issue.
Yes AMD performs better with a game optimised for AMD and part funded by AMD just like for nVidia. To be honest I never noticed thje different with thread count in the hair and I'm sure most other people wouldnt anyway.
Stelly
What... How.. WHEN!?!Oh i didn't mean it was Nvidia directly at the center of it, Just who ever decided it was a numpty.
Just seems to me that AMD spent all that time getting it to work well on systems running AMD cards and "OK" on Nvidia (based on the lower DC performance) that now the Developers reduced it and actually broke it, seems like a smack in the face to AMD :/
The funniest thing for me is, you can reinstall it back to the original but some people would rather moan about how it has crippled performance
Me, in regards to your market share figures accounting for AIB boards and not igp/apu's-which have simply massive sales and rising.
If you think for a minute that out of those 120-140 million PC's are even remotely going to push the likes of Crysis 3 type AAA titles, then either you haven't saw the big picture or your deluded or on an agenda.
How many of the 60 million gpu's in 'gaming' Pc's are actually bottom end gpu's with less power than apu's?
PC gaming in regards to mid/high end gpu's and market share is the equivalent of Robinson Crusoe taking a pee off a rock into the ocean-insignifcent.
If your going to mention market share, then others mention 'real world' scenarios, hence my mentioning of EA's actual system data gathered through Origin.
I work in the real world and folks don't game on PC's in regards to how we do, they use them for other things and general gaming is done on Facebook/web type gaming hence my points in regard to market share.
Oh i didn't mean it was Nvidia directly at the center of it, Just who ever decided it was a numpty.
Just seems to me that AMD spent all that time getting it to work well on systems running AMD cards and "OK" on Nvidia (based on the lower DC performance) that now the Developers reduced it and actually broke it, seems like a smack in the face to AMD :/
I suppose that the CD decision to offer both the beta and updated version must have had some input from AMD, I dont understand how its now broken? If broken means worse performance for AMD then it is not broken just different.
The funniest thing for me is, you can reinstall it back to the original but some people would rather moan about how it has crippled performance
I dont understand how you can see the hair difference and from that update that you quoted CD notes says that they have improved the TressFx performance and quality :\
Stelly
I have it patched and I can't tell the difference. I am playing it in triple screen 3D though.
@Stelly, there is a detrimental performance hit for AMD users after the patch as described above, the hair effect has been dumbed down too(you maybe won't notice as you are using Nvidia) where as they should have given scalable options for the hair to suit hardware capabilities, not dumb it down and fall through her back.
Now it looks like she is being electrocuted or looks as if it's waving about in mid air in the same way hair looks when underwater.
@Greg,
Not so simple-even though it can be rolled back, with Steam being Steam, I have had to muck about installing uninstalling beta patches as it forcibly updates even though you tell Steam not to update.
It was running perfect before the patch.
Now it looks like she is being electrocuted or looks as if it's waving about in mid air in the same way hair looks when underwater.
@Greg,
Not so simple-even though it can be rolled back, with Steam being Steam, I have had to muck about installing uninstalling beta patches as it forcibly updates even though you tell Steam not to update.
It was running perfect before the patch.
@Stelly, there is a detrimental performance hit for AMD users after the patch as described above, the hair effect has been dumbed down too(you maybe won't notice as you are using Nvidia) where as they should have given scalable options for the hair to suit hardware capabilities, not dumb it down and fall through her back.
Now it looks like she is being electrocuted or looks as if it's waving about in mid air in the same way hair looks when underwater.
@Greg,
Not so simple-even though it can be rolled back, with Steam being Steam, I have had to muck about installing uninstalling beta patches as it forcibly updates even though you tell Steam not to update.
It was running perfect before the patch.
This.
You always struck me as a bit of a pantene pro v man and this has just confirmed that.
I have, But for some reason it Crashes a lot vs the patched version.
Having the ability to use the pre Patches version still doesn't solve the problem.
??? Its TresFX and if you don't have any interest in it then its people like you who will been the end to innovation!
@Stelly, there is a detrimental performance hit for AMD users after the patch as described above, the hair effect has been dumbed down too(you maybe won't notice as you are using Nvidia) where as they should have given scalable options for the hair to suit hardware capabilities, not dumb it down and fall through her back.
Now it looks like she is being electrocuted or looks as if it's waving about in mid air in the same way hair looks when underwater.
@Greg,
Not so simple-even though it can be rolled back, with Steam being Steam, I have had to muck about installing uninstalling beta patches as it forcibly updates even though you tell Steam not to update.
It was running perfect before the patch.
+1
I feel bad for derailing this thread
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@Diagro
Less hair count does not mean broken it mean less hair count, now if the hair was causing a crash of some kind that would be broken. Can you link me to an article on the thread count in the hair?
I dont see how this is a nVidia issue as Tressfx is a AMD technology just like physx is a nVidia technology... how can anyone expect great performance and moan about poor performance from a technology that has been developed by AMD for AMD hardware.
This is why there shouoldnt be proprietary technology in not just GPU hardware but in general as it is always the customer that suffers from this type of advancement...
Stelly
Less hair count does not mean broken it mean less hair count, now if the hair was causing a crash of some kind that would be broken. Can you link me to an article on the thread count in the hair?
I dont see how this is a nVidia issue as Tressfx is a AMD technology just like physx is a nVidia technology... how can anyone expect great performance and moan about poor performance from a technology that has been developed by AMD for AMD hardware.
This is why there shouoldnt be proprietary technology in not just GPU hardware but in general as it is always the customer that suffers from this type of advancement...
Stelly
No i cannot link you to anything like that for hair count, My eyes show me this issue.
Its not an nvidia issue, But Its a problem that arises from the use of Nvidia cards which are Unable to handle the DC Load from the hair.
It was working fine on my AMD card before the patch, yet wasnt so much on Nvidia Cards. So they Fix it so it does work well on Nvidia cards and runs about the same on AMD.
But in that FIX, they reduce the Hair Quality and break its collisions and movement... So... is it a step forward for an AMD technology? Not exactly because now it looks like crap to me just so an AMD tech can work better on Nvidia cards.
Lol matt.
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Regrettably this, stellar performance just isn't there any more for whatever reason, nothing changed on my end, but after the patch, it's now a mess to the extent you now have a fight on your hands with 3D kicking in.
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Regrettably this, stellar performance just isn't there any more for whatever reason, nothing changed on my end, but after the patch, it's now a mess to the extent you now have a fight on your hands with 3D kicking in.
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And people "gaming" on APU's on facebook is in what way related to Tomb Raider?
Your having an entirely different conversation with no one.
AIB's are generally used for gaming of the type that this thread is talking about, so sales of AIB's are relevant to the conversation at hand... APU sales are irrelevant when talking about triple A games and their ability to run on vendor specific hardware
It is a rock and a hard place for CD and like I said its why such proprietary technology should not happen and why these technologies should either be left to a none profit third party to innovate or both AMD and nVidia to share between them.
Games should not be just about a specific brand such as AMD or nVidia and all games devs should know better on both the Green and Red side of the GPU market. Dumbing down the hair could have been handled better by CD in the graphics menu, for example, low - med - high, but that is up to them.
I could have complained that the physics in Borderlands 2 is worse on AMD cards then on nVidia cards when I turn on physx but thats expected as physx is a nVidia technology and for one game who cares?
Stelly