Cardinal: Paedophiles aren't criminals
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I doubt it, he's always like this.
Kedge moves up a few gears there.
Both acts are unnatural to me. You got your facts i got mine.
It's as complex or as simple as one chooses it to be.
Yeah whatever and do one chump.
Just stating that homosexuality is an abhorrent and vile act to some people, take a run and jump chump.
How about you do one Mr Moral Authority. Go preach the hate of your faith elsewhere.
Well as long as you're just sharing your views and not inhibiting their lifestyles then fair enough. The problems occur when people who share your views then try to prevent gay people from getting married or the opinions that homosexual acts are a bit wrong turn into outright bigotry against gay people.
As long as you're treating gay people as you treat anyone else then disliking homosexuality itself isn't a problem. I don't like the catholic church much... its a pretty messed up organsiation in general and its policies are having a direct effect on overpopulation, the spread of AIDS and knock on effects on poverty, starvation as a result. Its whole handling of sex abuse cases was completely despicable and it ironically discriminates openly against homosexuals while employing a disproportionately large number of gay men as Priests, Bishops and Cardinals. While I think the Catholic church is disgusting and in serious need of reform I've got no problem at all with Catholics.
Actually it's an abomination and a sin. Listen to me coffee-shop Christian, you have no right to be offended by the acts of others, we are all sinners and homosexuals ain't any different than you or anyone else on this forum.
John 13:34-35
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
1 John 3:15
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."
So sit down and shut up if you can't do anything but sprout hate.
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Well it is simple if you want to have poor result. But I am sure your Old Testament style justice works fine in the likes of Saudi and Iran. I mean the punitive systems there ensure that people are sufficiently aware of the implications of their actions that they never ever commit murder, rape or robbery ... oh that's not quite right is it - despite all those punitive measures and all the maiming chop-chop square is still busier than ever.
Justice is actually a complex issue especially rehabilitation with its outcome being so interlinked with deprivation, inequality and social accountability. I can say there appears to be only one simple thing in this debate.
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In addition to this (aimed at kedge), your God would not have created something he found abhorrent, surely. Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual, except homosexuality as a minority position. I wonder if it is just the church trying to stand up on one issue because their creation myths have been disproven.
You can never stand in the way of what someone is naturally inclined to do, and although some practices are less acceptable than others (such as murder), you have no right to judge people on the way that they were born and developed as children.
I make the differentiation with regards to age because I think it is likely that most individuals are not born as paedophiles, but develop into such during their childhood. However, this is never going to happen out of choice. It'll happen because of abusive parents, poor upbringings, atrocities that they have witnessed etc.
I do also think that paedophilia is just another sexuality, and in some cases, in the same why that many of us are inherently heterosexual or homosexual, some people sadly are born as paedophiles. It is certainly not a crime to be such unless it is acted upon, and I bet there are millions of closet paedophiles, such as the chap quoted in an earlier post, who struggle with themselves and find themselves disgusting on a daily basis. I hope they can find peace with themselves without hurting others.
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God does not create homosexuals. There is very little evidence that homosexuals are born how they are.
And you assume every Christian is a young earth creationist which is untrue.
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Kamwah, that comment was not aimed at you. Sorry if it was taken in that way.
Anyway, God must have created homosexuals if he created the world, or at least allowed them to be created, and there must, therefore, be very little evidence that heterosexuals are born the way they are.
I did not assume that you were a young earth creationist, but I assumed that, like most religious people, you believe that God created the Earth. I apologise if this is not the case.
No, you have an opinion, where as what I am telling you is a fact.
I totally agree there is no way god creates homosexuals - that process is down to evolution. Although in fairness you'd be hard pressed to convince me that god actually created anything.
There is also very little evidence anyone is born how they later present themselves to be because to assume DNA is a genetic blueprint that is immutable to change is rather simplistic and rather outdated. It is fair to say there is considerable evidence to say that there are marked differences between people of different sexual persuasions that have their origins in genetic potential that was intrinsically shaped by environmental factors.
God has no problem with homosexuals, its only people putting their own spin on passages they dont understand from the bible that have led to the wrongly held belief that it is condemned in the good book.
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Indeed. I had a hard time watching The Big Questions today when this bigoted Christian started bleating about how The Bible was written 2000 years ago. Castiel, please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is not right to say that it was actually compiled in the last 1500 (ish) years, and that, due to translation, is likely very different in many respects to the true words written originally.
I know it wasn't, just commenting on it.
Well the way Christians who aren't towards Modernism and Liberalists believe that homosexuality is a perversion of sorts. The thing is the that the Bible talks about every man having a wife and every woman a husband so that it keeps them away from sexual immorality, that's one of the things which makes me laugh about the Catholic church because they don't follow that, they believe abstinence is needed by their priests which is also a denial of God's first commandment which was "Be fruitful, and multiply". Noah had a sexual act done to him by one of his sons on the arc so very early on there was homosexuality starting to come about.
Yes I believe God created the Earth. I don't rule out the Big Bang though, I'm not crazy enough to believe he pooped it out of thin air nor do I believe it was created in 6 human days.
Well that's fine if you want to be an atheist or agnostic but the best way to argue with Christians who are crazy like Kedge is to understand what they're talking about and shut them up with it.
It's a very deep subject which I don't have any interest in. What we are attracted to be it sexual or not is a deep deep rabbit hole.
You are very wrong. There are many disputed verses but the ones that are there are very clear.
You are referring to the council in Rome(?) that compiled the canon (There are 4 main canons this day and there are 3 Greek manuscripts of the NT). It is very true that one of the most common canons was decided there but there is historic evidence that the canon the Apostles were using 150years before was very similar to what we have today and what the council decided on. There are also some crazy denominations that add and subtract verses/chapters like Mormons and JWs.
The original greek manuscripts do not vary greatly, the changes are very minimal and it doesn't change the doctrine.
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I do not want to know what you do with rabbits thank you very much. Disgusting.