DWP seeks law change to avoid benefit repayments

[GAC]

it's worked in Germany.

 

[spankingtexan]

I disagree. He has no real interest in finding a job if he doesn't feel that doing a little bit of volunteering would help his prospects given never haven had a job at 25 pretty much destroys his prospects.

The poundland girl is a different story. She was a degree educated lady already doing volunteer work which was relevant to her education. That she was pulled off that to work in poundland is whats really outragous.

Then again unlike most I don't see a problem with forced work. As far as I'm aware it's worked in Germany. If you've been "looking for a job" for over 6 months, I think it should be mandatory.

And it should pay a living wage, this is the whole point, people should not be expected to work for nothing. Those who think it's acceptable should try working for benefit levels, you could take out the equivalent of jsa from your pay packet and donate the rest to charity, hell we could even make it mandatory for you so you have no choice. Practice what you preach.

 

[~Divine~Wind~]

I may be seeing this differently to others but I think I made the same comments in the £land thread. I think its disgusting that they expect people to work pretty much full time hours for slave wages.

IF the need is there for companies to offer this many placements to cover their staffing needs then why don't they bloody well employ people?

 

[Davinnicus]

I may be seeing this differently to others but I think I made the same comments in the £land thread. I think its disgusting that they expect people to work pretty much full time hours for slave wages.

IF the need is there for companies to offer this many placements to cover their staffing needs then why don't they bloody well employ people?

Whilst I sort of agree with what you are saying, most of the jobseekers I come across everyday are quite happy to do nothing, rather than work for minimum wage. So, if making some of them work for their benefits is a viable option, then why not.

 

[Xordium]

What would happen out of interest in the case of where childcare had to be arranged? Would the state pay for that cost prior to the placement, after the placement or not at all.

 

[GAC]

Whilst I sort of agree with what you are saying, most of the jobseekers I come across everyday are quite happy to do nothing, rather than work for minimum wage. So, if making some of them work for their benefits is a viable option, then why not.

problem is thats not what the gov wants to do, they would rather you work more than your benefits are worth.

 

[~Divine~Wind~]

Whilst I sort of agree with what you are saying, most of the jobseekers I come across everyday are quite happy to do nothing, rather than work for minimum wage. So, if making some of them work for their benefits is a viable option, then why not.

Don't get me wrong, Im sure there are muppets on JSA/benefits that have no intention of getting themselves sorted or working a day but also appreciate that there are genuine people claiming them too.

But the government aren't asking them to work for their benefits, if they were paid correctly for the hours they are being requested to work they would end up with vastly more than the amount JSA gives them.

 

[Resident]

Don't get me wrong, Im sure there are muppets on JSA/benefits that have no intention of getting themselves sorted or working a day but also appreciate that there are genuine people claiming them too.

But the government aren't asking them to work for their benefits, if they were paid correctly for the hours they are being requested to work they would end up with vastly more than the amount JSA gives them.

And that's my issue with the workfare program, people are being made to work for far less than the LEGAL MINIMUM wage.

 

[Dolph]

And that's my issue with the workfare program, people are being made to work for far less than the LEGAL MINIMUM wage.

What makes you think the labour provided is worth the minimum wage? are you happy for people to remain unemployed if their labour is worth less than the minimum wage?

 

[spankingtexan]

What makes you think the labour provided is worth the minimum wage? are you happy for people to remain unemployed if their labour is worth less than the minimum wage?

What makes you think the labour provided is not worth the minimum wage? Another arrogant vile statement.

 

[Dolph]

What makes you think the labour provided is not worth the minimum wage? Another arrogant vile statement.

Because some people don't provide the necessary increase in value to a business to justify paying them the minimum wage. it is neither arrogant nor vile to recognise the reality of employment.

 

[spankingtexan]

Because some people don't provide the necessary increase in value to a business to justify paying them the minimum wage. it is neither arrogant nor vile to recognise the reality of employment.

Oh, sorry I must have missed the part in the NMW legislation that excludes those who don't desreve it. It was and is an ARROGANT VILE statement.

 

[Resident]

What makes you think the labour provided is worth the minimum wage? are you happy for people to remain unemployed if their labour is worth less than the minimum wage?

So you think it's perfectly acceptable for the government to force people to work for less than is LEGALLY (<-take note of that word right there) required? That PRIVATE companies are benefiting by getting FREE labour, increasing their own profits.

I would have no issue with a FAIR back to work program if it's one that sees the individual working no more hours than minimum wage laws would dictate
and one that sees these individuals working for COMMUNITY/PUBLIC projects of which NO private company gleans any benefits.

So for a 19 year old on JSA (@£56.25) would only 'work' just over 11 hours per week, in line with NMW LAW

A 26 yr old on JSA (@£71) would work 11.5 hrs a week, again in line with NMW LAW

 

[Dolph]

Oh, sorry I must have missed the part in the NMW legislation that excludes those who don't desreve it. It was and is an ARROGANT VILE statement.

No, you just missed the additional unemployment, especially youth unemployment that the minimum wage causes, in addition to opposing the measures that might help these people become employable.

Your attitude is far more arrogant, not to mention at odds with reality, than my own.

 

[Dolph]

So you think it's perfectly acceptable for the government to force people to work for less than is LEGALLY (<-take note of that word right there) required? That PRIVATE companies are benefiting by getting FREE labour, increasing their own profits.

I would have no issue with a FAIR back to work program if it's one that sees the individual working no more hours than minimum wage laws would dictate
and one that sees these individuals working for COMMUNITY/PUBLIC projects of which NO private company gleans any benefits.

So for a 19 year old on JSA (@£56.25) would only 'work' just over 11 hours per week, in line with NMW LAW

A 26 yr old on JSA (@£71) would work 11.5 hrs a week, again in line with NMW LAW

and I would much rather have a fair and functional tax and benefit system and avoid these issues in the first place

 

[Resident]

NMW was introduced to stop the EXPLOITATION of young workers.

Tell me this, if your boss turned round to you and said "You know what, I don't think you're worth what I pay you. So I'm going to pay you £2 an hour from now on"

You'd accept that and continue working?

No you wouldn't

 

[spankingtexan]

No, you just missed the additional unemployment, especially youth unemployment that the minimum wage causes, in addition to opposing the measures that might help these people become employable.

Your attitude is far more arrogant, not to mention at odds with reality, than my own.

Mind boggling.

 

[Dr Jack]

No, you just missed the additional unemployment, especially youth unemployment that the minimum wage causes, in addition to opposing the measures that might help these people become employable.

[cite needed]

Back in the real world, and despite the howlings of right wingers, the actual empirical evidence is that the introduction of minimum wages the world over has had little or no effect on unemployment levels. The reality is that companies need people doing the minimum wage jobs.

 

[Xordium]

You'd accept that and continue working?

I am guessing he would get on his bike and harness the power of social mobility leaving all his personal and financial ties in the rearview mirror.

 

[aln]

And it should pay a living wage, this is the whole point, people should not be expected to work for nothing. Those who think it's acceptable should try working for benefit levels, you could take out the equivalent of jsa from your pay packet and donate the rest to charity, hell we could even make it mandatory for you so you have no choice. Practice what you preach.

After I've been unemployed for 6 months living on handouts, feel free to do that. I'll be happy to practice what I preach. On that note, most people are well aware that an employment gap on your CV generally reflects really poorly on you, especially in lower skilled work. Refusing to join such a scheme laregly means you aren't really interested in finding work.