Pc graphics. No where near as good as consoles !

[melvis]

the price difference between the console and PC has been dropping over the years though, i remember my mega drive costing £150 at launch, when the ps3 launched at £379 and with the ps4 rumoured to be launching at either £400 or £450 depending on which rumour you beleive.
You can spec out a PC with an AMD 8 core 8GB ram and a 6870 which are the components the ps4 is meant to be based around for almost exactly the same cost and itll play the same games at 1280x720@30fps (which is what almost all console games run at even the next gen ones) as the consoles themselves, since the 6870 has an hdmi port you can even use the same TV instead of a monitor if it less than 5 years old or so.
so even if you must buy a seperate device a console isnt much cheaper, if any

 

[joelk2]

Most peoples experience with gaming PC's will be £300 pieces of **** that stutter and jerk on anything above low settings..so I can understand people saying consoles are better.

i built a £386 pc which runs games excellent. got crysis 3 running on medium graphics at 60+ fps which looks way better than my xbox.

 

[MooMoo444]

i built a £386 pc which runs games excellent. got crysis 3 running on medium graphics at 60+ fps which looks way better than my xbox.

but you're over budget

 

[arknor]

i built a £386 pc which runs games excellent. got crysis 3 running on medium graphics at 60+ fps which looks way better than my xbox.

waits for someone to come in with the but you didn't include the monitor.

Because apparently TV's are free, it's usually the final argument anyway

 

[MooMoo444]

waits for someone to come in with the but you didn't include the monitor.

Because apparently TV's are free, it's usually the final argument anyway

keyboard and mouse aint free though, you get a pad with the console

 

[V4NT0M]

keyboard and mouse aint free though, you get a pad with the console

Aye and if you want that on Pc you need an 360 controller and a wireless adapter, brand new that's an additional £40 or so. Could not live without those.

 

[Reemul]

Cheap keyboard and mouse is £10-£20 and use a wired 360 controller, second hand from any gameing outlet is another £10. PLenty of cheap decent 19" second hand monitors for £50 as well.

Isn't really hard to do

 

[solado]

I am sure people will tear me apart for saying this but.... isn't the PS4 just a PC with slightly adapted hardware and shrunk into a smaller case? I thought sony wanted to use more "PC" like parts to aid the game development process because the PS3 was to hard to really develop for.

From the PS4 hardware spec it isn't really going to beat many "top of the range" gaming PC's down. Infact, I would imagine there would be a new supply of hardware released for PC before the PS4 hit's retailers shelves. I will always be happy to pay for hardware on my PC as it's a hobby and I don't think I could "down grade" to a console level of gaming.

Also the price of games for consoles is often higher than it is for PC. I see many new releases come in for PC at £24.99 where as console are £34.99.

Personal perspective and thoughts of cause.

 

[joelk2]

waits for someone to come in with the but you didn't include the monitor.

Because apparently TV's are free, it's usually the final argument anyway

although TV's arent free you would still need one for a console so that doesnt count.

you can buy an xbox wireless adapter from ebay for £4 or £5.

i did buy the peripherals too. my budget was £500 to include these.

i ended up spending £506 including Monitor, keyboard & Mouse. including all delivery. (granted i had £19 in amazon vouchers to add to the pot)

 

[arknor]

although monitors aren't free most people have one anyway or a laptop they wouldn't have needed to buy.
Nothing stops people from hooking a pc to a tv either

if people are going to go the free tv route we may as well discount 300+ quid from the price of a pc due to the fact the majority of people have a laptop or pc anyway

 

[V4NT0M]

Cheap keyboard and mouse is £10-£20 and use a wired 360 controller, second hand from any gameing outlet is another £10. PLenty of cheap decent 19" second hand monitors for £50 as well.

Isn't really hard to do

But XBOX/PS3 don't come with second hand wired pads.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

waits for someone to come in with the but you didn't include the monitor.

Because apparently TV's are free, it's usually the final argument anyway

Well, if one does not have a console or a PC and is deciding which to buy the vast majority already have a TV...

Assuming his pc did not include mouse/kb/pad/monitor then his £386 PC is actually turning out to around £470... This is for second hand peripherals and monitor, vs £130 for a brand new console?

There is just no contest for the average consumer. Are the better graphics really worth more than 3x the price? For me obviously they are as I have spent much more than that on my rig, hell I spent twice the price of the xbox on my monitor alone.

However, the vast majority are not educated in this regard, even when they are the majority of console gamers are casuals, they still don't want to spend that much. The kicker I think all round is that these people want to play stuff on their TV, they don't want to be hunched over a desk in another room hammering a keyboard and as MS and Sony are pushing their consoles as media devices too.

We're all geeks, that kind of removed gaming experience is what we're used to

 

[Nimdok]

currently yes. but it sure doesn't look like it with the next gen consoles, which is a shame

Can't link the article due to being at work, but Shuhei Yoshida confirmed that the PS4 will support preowned games, and that they aren't going ahead with that one-time use system that was rumoured before. Not sure what the situation is with the Nextbox

 

[arknor]

But XBOX/PS3 don't come with second hand wired pads.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Well, if one does not have a console or a PC and is deciding which to buy the vast majority already have a TV...

Assuming his pc did not include mouse/kb/pad/monitor then his £386 PC is actually turning out to around £470... This is for second hand peripherals and monitor, vs £130 for a brand new console?

You're forgetting something.
pc games are a lot cheaper than console most of the time

 

[jonneymendoza]

Yes because "inviting them round to experience pc gaming" is obviously possible in every work scenario.

why cant you just post a video of a PC game?

 

[Nimdok]

I find it laughable that people can make such broad statements about PC graphics being worse than consoles. Sure if it's an average person using an average PC (like one you'd have at work, or around that mark) then I can kinda understand why they'd say that, but only a fool would think a console (even a next generation one) could beat a top end PC graphically.

Personally I couldn't care less about the graphics. I've got my PC for PC exclusive games (most of my time still goes towards MMOs), and I've got my consoles for console exclusives. As for multi-platform games, I'll buy the game on whichever platform appeals to me the most, so if it's a co-op game and my friends are getting it on 360, I'll sacrifice the use of KB/M to play with my friends, or if it's a game that only I'm getting (or Single Player) I generally tend to favour them on PC or PS3. Though with being pressed for time to game these days, I do find it easier to buy or rent console games at times (less remorseful than buying an awful game I'm not sure about) since all I need to do is pop in the disc and play, and it has the added comfort of being able to lounge around on the couch to control everything. I'll most likely be upgrading my PC soon as it's starting to show its age, but there'll be that feeling of knowing that I'll have to upgrade again somewhere down the line whereas you buy a console once and it lasts the whole generation.

As for console games costing more - sure the difference is usually around £10 at launch (having Steam definitely wins here for games costing less later) but you do have the option of trading it in or selling it on while it still retains most of its value, which I doubt you can do as easily on PC anymore with more games having Steamworks. In regards to the console prices, yeah they cost a lot at launch but you can easily get the current gen consoles for around £100-£200 these days so I wouldn't be surprised if the PS4/Nextbox dropped after a couple of years too. And to be fair to console games, some of them look absolutely stunning considering the low level of hardware they're running (I guess that's one of the advantages of bespoke development though).

I realise I've probably regurgitated a lot of previously made points, but there're my 2 cents

 

[NirK]

Console gaming is cheaper than buying a gaming PC - The prices are not "comparable"..... Buying a PC that will run PS4 graphics as well / better than PS4 will cost much more than £400 full stop.

My point was that if Sony actually introduce a license thing where you can only use the game once on one machine and then cannot resell it then it will make PC's effectively cheaper because Sony will have just completely alienated half of their customers.

Frankly if they do pull that little stunt it is appaling because for example something like the new tomb raider - it was fun for about 10 hours then I completed it and there is nothing worthwhile left to do and I am bored of it now... On PC I can either resell the game or buy it cheap on steam... If I had paid £40-50 for that and was just stuck with the game then that would be terrible value for money. Effectively I would have paid abour £4 an hour just to play a game.... That is not good.

 

[NirK]

i built a £386 pc which runs games excellent. got crysis 3 running on medium graphics at 60+ fps which looks way better than my xbox.

But the Xbox360 is about 1/4th as powerfull as the next gen PS4.... To buy a PC that will run all PS4 games at 1080p it would cost a lot more than a PS4 would cost... Probably about £600 not even including a monitor / TV.... To argue with that is just silly... I was talking about the price of games and Sony's possible plans to only allow you to use the game once on one console, no resale etc.

 

[Nimdok]

Console gaming is cheaper than buying a gaming PC - The prices are not "comparable"..... Buying a PC that will run PS4 graphics as well / better than PS4 will cost much more than £400 full stop.

My point was that if Sony actually introduce a license thing where you can only use the game once on one machine and then cannot resell it then it will make PC's effectively cheaper because Sony will have just completely alienated half of their customers.

Frankly if they do pull that little stunt it is appaling because for example something like the new tomb raider - it was fun for about 10 hours then I completed it and there is nothing worthwhile left to do and I am bored of it now... On PC I can either resell the game or buy it cheap on steam... If I had paid £40-50 for that and was just stuck with the game then that would be terrible value for money. Effectively I would have paid abour £4 an hour just to play a game.... That is not good.

It's confirmed they won't be going ahead with the licensing/DRM. Can't check whether it was that article in particular, but Yoshida pretty much says that a game is yours once you buy it, so you should be able to lend it to friends or otherwise.

 

[V4NT0M]

You're forgetting something.
pc games are a lot cheaper than console most of the time

That's another argument entirely... Console gaming on a PS3 and 360 combined was still cheaper than PC gaming with all of it's deals as I rented nearly all of my games.

Plus, most of the deals I get are digital meaning I can't sell them on. Whereas when I sold my 360 & PS3 last week I still got some money back for leftover games.

That's another hidden bonus for me in console gaming, if I end up not liking a game I can just send it back. It's the same as with PC, if you're savvy you can pay less... But MS and Sony are always counting on you spending more. I'm not making the point that one is cheaper than the other over X or Y period. I was just pointing out that the PC deal is not as cheap as we were lead to believe.

 

[Harri25]

Graphics aside and I know most of the topic is focused on the hardware and comparitable(sp?) costs between console and pc gaming.... but look at the replayabiltiy in most PC games through modding communities. and inbuilt scalability in graphic option menus. Wether your budget, middle or top range theres plenty to enjoy with PC's.

Not to say I dont like console....I have a PS3 which I love if not for the blu ray then the footie/racing "and beat em ups" which apart from racing have never translated well on pc. and Vice versa for RTS's...I just dont think they work on a console.

apart from populous: the beginning on the PS1....that was epic lol