Girl found dead in house with dogs 'out of control'

Jason2 said:
Give over. Staffies are great dogs. I'm sick of people like you with your pre-judgemental attitude. Get it into your head that it's the idiots who own them that turn them violent.

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Hmm would I like to be attacked by a King Charles or a staffy?

Let me think......
 
Doohickey said:
Are certain dogs not used historically (and to this day) for certain duties e.g. guard dogs, based on their inherent nature? Just like certain breeds are 'easier' to train/more obedient? Some dogs are more placid by nature than others, I don't see what's so controversial about that...
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You do realise the impracticality to training a poodle, or chihuahua to do that kind of job don't you?
 
Scrutinize said:
You of all people should be able to answer that by your signature.
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Well I believe we were made in the image of God, so I can be forgiven for believing we are more important than animals. However, from the atheistic point of view, there is no reason to believe we are any better than animals. We all evolved afterall.

But lets not get into that debate here. The point is, staffies are great dogs when treated right. And that's the truth.
 
Jason2 said:
Surely it's a perfectly valid question? What makes a human any more special than any other animal on this earth? Not only that, when a human commits murder, they know what they are doing. A dog doesn't.
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And in one you've answered your own question than anyone else here could.

We know what we are doing.
 
Jason2 said:
However, from the atheistic point of view, there is no reason to believe we are any better than animals. We all evolved afterall.
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Yeah except humans are a hell of a lot more evolved than animals - architecture, mathematics, art, mechanics, agriculture, medicine, diplomacy, physics, literature, etc.


You show me a poodle who's written the equivalent of 'War and Peace' and then maybe you can say we are not better than animals and be credible.
 
Captain Planet said:
You do realise the impracticality to training a poodle, or chihuahua to do that kind of job don't you?
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:confused: I'm not talking about practicality. There are categories of dogs for a reason, no? Guard dogs, hunting dogs etc. They're chosen and bred for those roles because their nature dictates that they will be good at what they do. Is that not a fair thing to say?
 
Jason2 said:
Well I believe we were made in the image of God, so I can be forgiven for believing we are more important than animals. However, from the atheistic point of view, there is no reason to believe we are any better than animals. We all evolved afterall.

But lets not get into that debate here. The point is, staffies are great dogs when treated right. And that's the truth.
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How about Genesis 1 vs 26?
 
Moley said:
Yeah except humans are a hell of a lot more evolved than animals - architecture, mathematics, art, mechanics, agriculture, medicine, diplomacy, physics, literature, etc.


You show me a poodle who's written the equivalent of 'War and Peace' and then maybe you can say we are not better than animals and be credible.
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What has that got to do with anything? Animals still feel just like us. Or shouldn't we take their feelings into account? I think we have a duty to stand up for those who can't voice their own opinion, beast or man.
 
I'd rather not be attacked by either, but I would go for the King Charles. The fact is, I am sure loads of people have been bitten by King Charles Spaniels. They are not particularly strong which is probably the reason why there are not too many deaths. Does this mean the dog wasn't trying to kill?

The plain fact is, dogs do not kill for sport. They are far too simple for such a "thought"
 
Doohickey said:
Are certain dogs not used historically (and to this day) for certain duties e.g. guard dogs, based on their inherent nature? Just like certain breeds are 'easier' to train/more obedient? Some dogs are more placid by nature than others, I don't see what's so controversial about that...
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Nothing particularly controversial, it's just that I dispute it's 'widely accepted' that Staffordshire Bull Terriers are inherently more aggressive and dangerous, or at least 'widely accepted' by anyone with half a clue what they are talking about.

As a breed they've been historically known for affection towards people to the extent many make comment on what useless guard dogs or attack dogs they make.

A Staffy is certainly built in a way that will cause you more of a problem than a Daschund if it does attack but I think the notion the breed is inherently an aggressive, dangerous to people breed is codswallop frankly.

They've gained a bad rep recently and this has coincided rather conveniently with their fashion amongst chavs.

As said previously, wind the clock back and these discussions were always about Rottweilers or Dobermans. Now such stories are a rarity, those breeds gaining mention no more than 'regular' breeds like Labs. Did the breeds change? Or did they fall out of vogue with a particular type of owner? Which do you think more likely?
 
Doohickey said:
:confused: I'm not talking about practicality. There are categories of dogs for a reason, no? Guard dogs, hunting dogs etc. They're chosen and bred for those roles because their nature dictates that they will be good at what they do. Is that not a fair thing to say?
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Yes and no. You can train a poodle to be just as aggressive as you could a doberman. It wouldn't be much use as a guard dog though would it? :)
 
Top 10 dogs for KILLING children or causing serious harm to children :
1. Staffordshire Bull Terriers
2. Rottweilers
3. Japanese Akitas
4. German Shepherds (Alsatians)
5. Pit Bull Terriers
6. Bullmastiffs
7. Huskies
8. English Bull Terriers
9. Dobermans (Doberman Pinschers)
10. American Bulldogs

It's worth noting, that the RSPCA have often stated that the two biggest offenders for attacks on children are Cocker Spaniels and Labradors, but, because they lack the aggressiveness and/or strength that other breeds of dogs have, they very rarely cause any serious harm.
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http://www.ukandspain.com/dangerous-dogs/
 
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Jason2 said:
What has that got to do with anything? Animals still feel just like us. Or shouldn't we take their feelings into account? I think we have a duty to stand up for those who can't voice their own opinion, beast or man.
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Actually there is evidence that many animals do NOT feel just like us - many mammals are close to us in sentience but fish and insects for example certainly are not capable of feeling just like us. But even so, since when has 'feelings' been the deciding factor on what make something/someone 'better' than another? (Unless you do your thinking with your Uterus of course...) ;)
 
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