Girl found dead in house with dogs 'out of control'

Of course I'm not saying people should have their dogs taken away and put down as I totally understand people love and are very attached to their pets.
But I think it's time to update the dangerous dogs act with a couple more breeds and if the statistics I have seen are correct then Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Rottweilers are sadly the next two breeds that are responsible for the most horrific and dangerous attacks on humans and other dogs.
They should ban the importing and breeding like before and slowly phase them out, as others have stated their are hundreds of breeds to choose from and if the main reason for owning a dog is because the owner wants a big and/or powerful dog then I for one would be glad that these people have limited options!!
 
Those that say it's the owners fault

Simply look at the silver fox experiment in Russia. It's still ongoing to this day.

It's simply a case of breeding, during this process with certain traits you are more likely to get aggressive tendencies. which some dogs were bred for.

 
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It's always the same breeds when you read about these stories.

I'm gonna be hunted by dog lovers, but they really need to cull these troublesome breeds.
 
Hedge said:
Germany shepherds are stronger than humans, we gonna tell the police to only use chihuahuas in the fight on crime?

No.. Stupid idea.
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Somewhat of a poor analogy as the police are allowed guns so they would also be allowed "dangerous" dogs.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
But I think it's time to update the dangerous dogs act with a couple more breeds and if the statistics I have seen are correct then Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Rottweilers are sadly the next two breeds that are responsible for the most horrific and dangerous attacks on humans and other dogs.
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There will always be a breed at the top of the statistics list, how long until all breeds are banned because they are the 'Most Dangerous' at the time?

A lot of other breeds are vicious but do little damage due to being small and therefore are not classed as dangerous. Unfortunately for Staffies they have the power so even a small, playful 'nip' can do a hell of a lot of damage (speaking from experience).
 
Catanonia said:
comon everyone. The estate where this happened is full of low lifes. Low lifes with dogs that are capable of killing and the type of people that should not own them.

Until the politians legislate against low lifes owning these type of dogs this will continue to happen.

Yes these dogs (and many others) are capable of serious damage in the wrong hands. It is the owners at fault and very rarely the dogs themselves.

So why all bicker and fight over it, well it is the internet and the level of argument here is what I expect to find on such estates.

Get your heads out of the sand and see it for what it is. A crap estate, with crap families with no respect or intelligence for their actions = Darwin in action.

Wish this stuff didn't make the papers really
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Not everyone in a 'rough area' is like that. There are lots of decent people in these areas who can't just afford to move somewhere nicer. It's often a few bad apples that spoil the bunch. Can't believe you think this doesn't matter and shouldn't make the paper, just because it didn't happen in a nice neighbourhood.
 
NeverWinter said:
There will always be a breed at the top of the statistics list, how long until all breeds are banned because they are the 'Most Dangerous' at the time?
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Not really, say we banned staffies and Alsatians from public ownership, that would leave maybe Labs at the top of the list.
Those Labs would still be chewing on kids, but this difference being is that an adult can walk in and chuck the Lab out of the nearest window, something you can't do with a staffie.

It's the difference between standing there watching until the kid is dead or being able to do something about it.

Also, labs look as dopey as rabbits, another disincentive for abusive ownership by Chavs.
 
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It does happen on nice "Estates"... But the low lives normally ride round on horses and have the dogs in packs chasing wild animals for fun. You can still be a scumbag with a full bank account.

But in re dogs being out of control in general. As has been said here the majority of times this sort of thing happens is down to the owners being morons and conditioning the dogs to be aggressive to anything that moves. Staffies get a bad rap most of the time because the one wearing the studded collar is the brains of the pairing. Any dog has the potential to be out of control, if it's a Chiwawa a nip here and there and swift kick would be the end of the story. A family friend has a Bull-Mastiff, that weighed in at 10st. I doubt 3 blokes could stop it without a gun.

We've always had dogs in the family until recently and I wouldn't look to deny anyone from owning a dog. But the responsibility for controlling it sits with the owners, and is there any need to own such a large dog as a Mastiff as the family "Pet". Some dogs have traits bred into them and even if buried beneath the surface are still there. My neighbour has a Staffie, which is a lovey pleasant quiet dog. But when you give it a ball or bone it destroys it in seconds because it's just a strong dog. It always crosses my mind what it could do to his two toddlers if things went wrong. Dogs can't tell you they're in pain or grumpy, if a child pulled an ear or a tail that may well be enough. It only takes once.

This is a real tragedy, I think the girl was only 14 and that must have been an horrific end. Likewise for the Police who had to deal with the scene and dispatch the animals. It not something that will easily be forgotten.
 
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The biggest pattern in all these dog attack stories is the class of the owners or the estates these situations happen. I'm not gonna try and defend staffs right now cos it will just fall on deaf ears but we can't ignore the areas where all these attacks happen. Check old stories and they nearly all come from what we would class as the Jeremy Kyle families.
 
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The biggest pattern in all these dog attack stories is the class of the owners or the estates these situations happen. I'm not gonna try and defend staffs right now cos it will just fall on deaf ears but we can't ignore the areas where all these attacks happen. Check old stories and they nearly all come from what we would class as the Jeremy Kyle families.
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What a load of rubbish. How do you know what this family was like just from where they live? From the news reports and photos (which is all we have to go on) they just look like an average family in a poor area.

Maybe the fact these attacks are more common in poor areas is just because families in these areas choose this type of dog as a deterrent to burglars? So there are far more of them about and bound to be more cases of attacks.

The family who owned the dogs called them their babies and there are pics of the young girl cuddling one. These aren't dogs that have been trained to be nasty from what I have seen. They just got out of control and turned violent, which as has been said many times can happen with any dog. It's just very unfortunate that this girl was alone and defenceless with the owner not there.

I am shocked the owner will avoid prosecution due to current laws. They should take some responsibility for leaving a young girl alone with the dogs. A message needs to be sent out that if you are going to take on the massive responsibility of owning potentially very dangerous dogs, then you need to be responsible enough to do that and are willing to suffer the consequences if you fail. Just my opinion.
 
You can tell an over-the-top dog lover and dog breeder with no actual scientific background in canines: their the ones who insist that all dogs are the same and certain breeds aren't predisposed to certain behaviours.
 
Mark A said:
The family who owned the dogs called them their babies and there are pics of the young girl cuddling one.
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That's not what the neighbours are saying..

"Another friend said the dogs at the house were large and aggressive animals."... "Every time you walk past the house they would be barking and barking and going mad," she said. "You would jump out of your skin."
 
DampDog said:
That's not what the neighbours are saying..

"Another friend said the dogs at the house were large and aggressive animals."... "Every time you walk past the house they would be barking and barking and going mad," she said. "You would jump out of your skin."
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Means nothing, I've a Mini Dachshund, Miniature pincer, Chihuahua and a Boxer They bark loud and long enough to wake the dead whenever anyone walks past the window..

Terrible what's happened to that young girl and maybe a lot stupid to have so many alpha dogs in one house. Dogs are pack animals and you do have to be alpha dog to them for them to respect you.. But the amount of dog haters these situations throws up makes me laugh..
 
Hatter The Mad said:
You can tell an over-the-top dog lover and dog breeder with no actual scientific background in canines: their the ones who insist that all dogs are the same and certain breeds aren't predisposed to certain behaviours.
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Not only are they predisposed to certain behaviours they were bred over many years to have certain behaviours and characteristics...
 
RDM said:
Not only are they predisposed to certain behaviours they were bred over many years to have certain behaviours and characteristics...
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I really can't understand how people can argue against this to be honest. They have been bred from fighting dogs. Mendel explained all this, what, 150 years ago?
 
I've also witnessed dogs who apparently 'dont like children'
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You sound suprised by this? No disrespect but a lot of dogs don't like children this is nothing unusual. Without care and attention no dog should be any where near a young child.
 
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