***The 'Dangerous Dog' Thread***

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Ok guys this is a very hot topic at the moment, and has been for a few years now, so I thought I would start a thread where we can discuss the issues and changes in law to owning a 'Dangerous Dog'

Recent activity has seen the sad death of 14-year-old Jade Anderson who was found dead in a suspected dog attack at a house near Wigan in Greater Manchester,

and the attack on 5 police officers in Stratford that lasted 15 mins, after they tried to carry out a search warrant. The owner of the pitbull-doberman cross, Symieon Robinson-Pierre, was later sentenced to 22 months in prison.

A recent law change means owners can be prosecuted if they fail to stop their dogs attacking someone on their own or someone else’s private property. with the exception of Intruders and burglars.

what I wanted to discuss is, what do we consider to be a 'Dangerous Dog'? and what we should do to deal with this issue.

I personally would like to see a total ban on any dog that has been bred to be 'dangerous', and a total ban on young people owning these dogs, and I don't really care about the bleeding hearts who say there staffy is an angel, etc

but I am also always open to a change in opinion, based on facts.

do you think this new law will change anything?
 
An official thread for this? Interesting.

All dogs are dangerous (not in equal measure, some have more aggressive natural traits), but certain dogs are more dangerous due to their physical make up, like the bull terrier dogs. People will always claim otherwise, but this is just down to blind ignorance I feel, some common sense must be applied.

It's difficult to manage though as many breeds of dog are fairly large/strong, and banning them all would be over the top. People will always circumvent such measures with cross-breeding and such as well.
 
A lot of problems could be stopped by requiring all owners to be licenced and insured at a realistic cost (with exemptions for pensioners/guide dogs etc) and to force owners to have their animals obedience trained.
 
Let me predict how this thread will go:

1) Lots of SBT/devil dog owners will post saying it's the owner's fault not the dogs, the owners should take some personal responsibility. There's a certain amount of truth in that, but some dogs are much more likely to turn aggressive and can cause much more damage than others.
2) Someone will make the reasonable point that maybe dog owners should have to possess some sort of licence
3) Howls of outrage from the SBT owners that "innocent responsible" dog owners are being punished, and the irresponsible few who caused this mess in the first place will just ignore the law anyway.

I think that obviously the Dangerous Dogs Act has failed and new legislation is required. What that legislation should be I don't know - I'm open to the idea of dog licences for owners but I'm not sure how much of an effect that's going to have. One thing I do wonder about is how many non-fatal dog attacks are happening? There was a story about an SBT ripping off a bloke's nuts in a park in Essex last week. This isn't limited to kids by any means.
 
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Some idiots carry knives, some use dogs. That's how we should treat it. <-- Stay within context here, you know what I'm suggesting, I'm not talking about your regular dog owner.

ANY dog is capable of harm, as is any human. As the dog isn't mentally capable of understanding such things on a human level ( <-- I struggled how to phrase this lol), then it is the responsibility of the owner/keeper to ensure safety of others against a dog. When we get peev'd.. it doesn't involve using claws and teeth.. which unfortunately a dog can/does.

If it is an aggressive dog, then it should be leashed at all times.

What happened to Jade is very sad, and it is possible they just acted like a pack as she was an outsider. I'd really like to read the report on what might have happened.

What I would like to see, better policing so that dogs are more readily identified as dangerous.
 
yeah I thought this might be interesting Robbo,

I totally agree with scorza, the dangerous dog act has failed, and badly and we need a new solution to this issue,

I am hoping technology, could provide the answer with microchipping and possible GPS tracking, with compulsory registration for every dog out there.

I truly hope this can go the way of, drink driving and wearing a seatbelt, where it is all but wiped out, bar a couple of rouges
 
scorza... there was a case of a donkey biting of a man's nut sack in Asia... they are all animals. Should donkey's be controlled?

I totally agree with point 1. Some dogs have natural traits. Aggression can be one of them.

Frankly, my male can sometimes be dog aggressive, so we never let him off leash until he's settled. He isn't a dangerous breed. ANY dog can be aggressive.
 
Scougar said:
scorza... there was a case of a donkey biting of a man's nut sack in Asia... they are all animals. Should donkey's be controlled
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Number of donkeys encountered on a typical dog walk in a typical British park: 0
Number of dogs encountered on same walk: lots
 
wozzizname said:
A lot of problems could be stopped by requiring all owners to be licenced and insured at a realistic cost (with exemptions for pensioners/guide dogs etc) and to force owners to have their animals obedience trained.
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This for me.

a lot of the morons in society use them as weapons or to threaten people. Having to have a licence might help in this though I imagine it wod be verging on impossible to police.
 
Its not the breed of dog thats the problem. Its the people who train them. If I trained my Beagle to attack it, could do as much damage as any other breed.
On my walks with the dog we have met many breeds and some staffies we have come across are soft as **** and are scared of my courageous pup.

The girl who got attacked and killed by those wild dogs was down to pack mentality. Any pack of wild dogs that are hungry would kill for food. Just look at Wolves. I know that the dogs that attacked her are domestic but they still possess the same mentality of every pack animal in the world.
 
All dogs should require mandatory insurance like cars do. The premium could be calculated by how many bites are recorded each year. £1/month for a lab, £20 for a staffordshire and so forth.

The dog would be required to wear a dog "tax stamp" with the insurance info on it's collar. Any dog found without it's stamp gets destroyed and the owner fined.
 
There will always be dogs that are 'bad' dogs. That's simple. I'm not talking of a particular breed here, I'm talking cross breed.

Then, any dog with poor ownership, will probably be an aggressive dog. The difference here however is that, some are less likely to cause serious injury.
Studies have shown (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ausage-dogs-are-the-most-aggressive-dogs.html), that Sausage Dogs, Chihuahua and Jack Russell Terriers are actually the most 'aggressive' dogs.

Some dogs get poor representation, and to be fair, the media has a role in this. SBT are generally seen as 'vicious' aggressive dogs. So any yob who's looking for an aggressive dog, where do you think they're going to go to get the dog and then breed it to be aggressive. In part this is a vicious circle.

Seeing as Kwerk just used it as an example:
kwerk said:
All dogs should require mandatory insurance like cars do. The premium could be calculated by how many bites are recorded each year. £1/month for a lab, £20 for a staffordshire and so forth.
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One of my old friends had a lab. It was poorly disciplined, and very playful. This was fine when it was younger, but when it then became bigger, it then believed it could bite without causing any issues. When they jumped on the trampoline it would try and bite your feet from underneath.

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All down to the types of people buying the dog, poor training and irresponsible owners. Shame that a few have to ruin it for the majority.
 
bakes0310 said:
Staffies are 90% the causes of fatalities and serious injuries going by the news.
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But going by common sense and reason bad owners are 90% of the cause of fatalities and serious injuries

I don't like dogs , I really don't like Staffies. But my auntie and cousins have always had them and in 20 years no one has been bitten , scratched , chased , scared

Infact my cats done more damage...
 
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