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I totally agree with this.
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I totally agree with this.
yes, and we must pray to dear leader every day
I should think so. Working all week im entitled to a beer on friday night.
Weekends are meaningless to the unemployed
Its really amazing if people are getting more then this as a single person.
My wife works full time as a doctor with 5 years experience when she is on a unbounded post (Ie no weekends or nights) she takes home £1850 after tax.
Ridiculous isnt it
as already said though, the cash isn't going into the hands of the person on benefit.. they only get ~£72 a week, its going on housing benefit paid directly to the landlord that either charges too much or the person is living in a high cost area
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I'd say the main problem like others have said is the way HB is dealt with. Before the council would send out someone to value the property and decide on what rent should be allowed, now there is just a limit on what you can claim. depending on area and number of rooms.
This worked well for my brothers landlord who has around 60 houses as he only takes benefit claiming tenants (My brother has a physical disability) and he also only has 3 or 4 beds.
Before the changes he would only get around £450-500 for the 3 beds and £550-600 for the 4 beds but since LHA came in he now charges the maximum rent the council will pay which is currently £549.99 for a 3 bed and £725.01 for the 4 beds. He's making a substantial amount of money now and it shows when he's out and about in his new porsche cayenne or 911.
Now I have no idea about rents in london but LHA rates there are laughable, nobody on benefit should be getting that type of rent paid for them.
The government just dishes cash out then complains they have none, The landlords rake it in and the poor just....well....get poorer.
BRMA: Inner West London
Date: April-2013
LHA Type Weekly Monthly
Shared Room £102.20 £442.87
1 Bedroom £224.84 £974.31
2 Bedrooms £295.00 £1,278.33
3 Bedrooms £347.48 £1,505.75
4 Bedrooms £408.80 £1,771.47
Edit: My brother now runs his own business and his wife is a TA and doing training to become a real teacher yet they are struggling even more than they did before as they get no benefits at all now.
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Every time I've been out of work and on the dole I've been skint as **** and always ended up with outstanding bills to clear once I was back in work again.
That's not owing Sky money, or anything frivolous like that, but owing money to utilities - things that you have to have.
All of my housing benefit and a third of my jsa was used to pay rent. Whatever was left had to go to other bills and the pittance that was left over went on cheap nasty food.
Being on the dole is not easy or pleasant. Anyone who tells you otherwise is the exception to the rule.
I have to seriously question the logic that says - get a low paying job, get taxed, then have a behemoth of a government bureaucracy absorbing resources and time, calculate how much of that tax you should be given back because you're a low earner.
Instead of cutting benefits to some of the poorest people in the country, those with the least prospect of 'doing it for themselves'; those who are fuel to the fire of right wing savagery that constantly spouts 'hard working people (they're always hard-working, but poor people) should not have their noses rubbed in it by benefit malingerers who get more money for doing nothing than these hard working people do for a full working week'... instead of cutting benefits, why don't we address the problem of employment not being equal to the task of paying people a decent living wage?
Sadly everyone is far too busy working out how to make square pegs fit into round holes - as far as the jobcentre and community workfare projects go it's a shocking waste of human resources; not because of dole scroungers, but because of poor job markets and utterly indifferent government and private initiative oversight.
That's not owing Sky money, or anything frivolous like that, but owing money to utilities - things that you have to have.
All of my housing benefit and a third of my jsa was used to pay rent. Whatever was left had to go to other bills and the pittance that was left over went on cheap nasty food.
Being on the dole is not easy or pleasant. Anyone who tells you otherwise is the exception to the rule.
I have to seriously question the logic that says - get a low paying job, get taxed, then have a behemoth of a government bureaucracy absorbing resources and time, calculate how much of that tax you should be given back because you're a low earner.
Instead of cutting benefits to some of the poorest people in the country, those with the least prospect of 'doing it for themselves'; those who are fuel to the fire of right wing savagery that constantly spouts 'hard working people (they're always hard-working, but poor people) should not have their noses rubbed in it by benefit malingerers who get more money for doing nothing than these hard working people do for a full working week'... instead of cutting benefits, why don't we address the problem of employment not being equal to the task of paying people a decent living wage?
Sadly everyone is far too busy working out how to make square pegs fit into round holes - as far as the jobcentre and community workfare projects go it's a shocking waste of human resources; not because of dole scroungers, but because of poor job markets and utterly indifferent government and private initiative oversight.
Yes, it does.
Is the time to point out, once again, that only a small minority of those on benefits are long term unemployed? That most of those who are have recently recovered from long term sickness or are single mothers?
How about pointing out that if you cut the benefits of a family with four children the people who will suffer most are the children. Are you suggesting that they should get jobs too? Should Britain be bringing back child labour?
We're a rich, civilised nation we can afford the small cost of providing decent lives to the unfortunate.
Ridiculous isnt it
To be honest we live outside of London and could live on that, ok without some luxuries but its really unfair if people can get £1400 from the state for doing bugger all.
I don't really have an issue with that and don't see why we should be paying above the odds to subsidise people in accommodation in expensive areas of the country when anyone who is pays their own way has to live within their means.
IMO these changes are just a small step in the right direction... I'd personally like to see all social housing removed from central London save for housing allocated to key workers. There is no need for it to be there - if the current stock was progressively sold off and housing organised on a London-wide basis then substantially more could be built further outside in zone 3,4,5 etc... We should also be means testing in and not allowing people who get a council house to necessarily be guaranteed it for life.
Because if we don't the welfare system fails as a safety net. Because by doing so we're essentially punishing people for the successive failures of governance. We're not talking about people moving into costly areas, we're talking about people living where they've always lived and having the prices pushed up around them.
We can't afford it though - this is the reason we need to make cuts in the first place. An no, we shouldn't be rewarding people when they behave irresponsible... if you can't afford to support yourself then what the heck are you doing having 4 kids....
Increase family planning advice, access to abortions tbh...