Government Benifit Cap

Indeed.

Lower the cost of housing/mortgages/rent & not only do you massively decrease our housing benefit bill, but we also increase the disposable income of the majority of the population.

This increases spending in the local economy which in turn encourages economic growth/job creation as a result of the increased demand.

You have to ask yourself, who really benefits from a massively inflated house prices & who pays the price?.

Radical solution to this in London... scrap all council housing in zones 1 and 2... (I can see a need to subsidise housing for key workers centrally and that's about it)sell off all council owned accommodation in those areas, build even more council owned accommodation in less expensive areas further out... Start means testing.

More inner London property becomes available for people who are economically active and have more of a need to be there + rents would be less likely to become inflated as the supply of available accommodation increases. People without a need for social housing can be removed from it. Newer housing can be built to better fit the demand... correct proportion of 1 and 2 bedroom accommodation etc... the building projects in themselves would stimulate growth - do it steadily simply using the proceeds of selling off inner London local authority owned property. Sell off a council block in Westminster and you could acquire land and build at least triple the number of homes on some brown field site further out. Waiting lists come down and property is better targeted towards demand.

Islington, for example, is 50% social housing.... the vast majority of social housing residents are not economically active - there is no real reason for them to have to be sustained in prime central London accommodation when those rather valuable assets could be put to better use by others and the proceeds from selling them used to build more and cut waiting lists. I'm not buying any argument that they can't move a few miles because they grew up in that particular grid square either... Someone not claiming benefits has to move to where they can afford to live or to where they can find work - I don't think its reasonable to subsidise expensive rents in central London nor do I think there is any point in local authorities holding onto expensive assets to house people who are mostly economically inactive.
 
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about 75% of MPs are landlords. wonder why they arent in any big rush to change these laws? why build houses at tax payer expense when you can invest in a house and let the gov pay off your mortgage in 10 years. rinse and repeat and in no time you own loads of houses.

is this true (75%?) and do you genuinely believe this to be the case? certainly interesting....
 
My opinion about this isn't much.
I think it should be less about £400 a week after tax. That is more than enough for a standard 4 person family (2 parents and 2 children) to live on. I currently live on about that and I have a job. If they found that it wasn't enough then they should go out and get a job. If you want nice things e.g. car, computers and clothes, you should go out and work for it.
Most jobs out there pay over £500 a week if both parents are working.
 
one of the guys i used to work with owned around 100 houses in my county. he only came into work to pass the time. he made a mint on being a landlord.

100 houses... I can understand someone owning a few and still working... if you've got 100 houses you're either incredibly wealthy or you're incredibly leveraged... in the first instance you've got a few million in assets in the second instance managing that leverage and that amount of property would be incredibly time consuming and stressful as you'd likely want to be managing at least a chunk of it directly.

I'm struggling to believe that someone who owns 100 houses would still be in full time employment working for someone else - unless they were in a very senior/well paid position.
 
but we can afford 5bn on nuclear submarine? a pointless thing anyway because of anyone nuked anybody the size of bombs today in megatons it'll take a few to wipe our whole planet...

I think the west giving up the nuclear deterrent would be a very bad move at this point in time.

If you hadn't noticed though there are plenty of cuts being made to the armed forces too... They're being made across lots of departments.
 
Most of the 200BN is the state pension (80BN) - work benefits like JSA amount to around 5BN. Not a lot, really.

Its a huge amount in total... even removing the state pension that's still 120 billion....

We're not talking about JSA we're talking about a cap on total benefits... £350 a week for a single person is still very very generous.
 
£350 a week is the equivalent of an £18,000 salary, £500 a week is the equivalent of a £35,000 salary (after tax, roughly speaking..)

Pretty ridiculous really. Why can't they just give them vouchers that can only be spent on food/essentials so they can't **** it up the wall or spend it on fags?
 
£350 a week is the equivalent of an £18,000 salary, £500 a week is the equivalent of a £35,000 salary (after tax, roughly speaking..)

Pretty ridiculous really. Why can't they just give them vouchers that can only be spent on food/essentials so they can't **** it up the wall or spend it on fags?

Insane isn't it? Thankfully the cap is extremely popular to the general public and only the noisy hard-line lefties are complaining. Even the left-leaning BBC couldn't twist a recent video piece they did on it.
 
Vouchers for benefits is a really bad idea. What if you had a good job, got made redundant and struggled to find work. Would food/essential vouchers pay to live for someone that previously had a job?

Those that are on benefits now and the idea which some of you mention to stop them and only give vouchers for food/essentials is a VERY bad idea. This isn't world war 2, if you stop benefits and put them all on vouchers, you will have people forced onto the street, higher crime and an increasing risk of suicides.

I hope that all those that mention this idea end up jobless!

But back to the more sane idea, House/Flat rent needs to be lowered a lot as such so will the benefits being claimed. Some of the rental for properties are damn ridiculous, for example a tiny studio flat should not cost nearly £450. Most of the benefits go to Landlords and people don't get anywhere near it, but hey lets stick these people on vouchers and see what happens!

Of all the people in this thread Mr Jack has his head on his shoulders!

Bedroom Tax is a good idea dependent on the rooms you have, why should someone have a 5 bedroom house and there's only two people for example. But don't punish them if they are actively looking for a low rate house.
 
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Vouchers for benefits is a really bad idea. What if you had a good job, got made redundant and struggled to find work. Would food/essential vouchers pay to live for someone that previously had a job?

Yes, of course it would, why wouldn't it?
Those that are on benefits now and the idea which some of you mention to stop them and only give vouchers for food/essentials is a VERY bad idea. This isn't world war 2, if you stop benefits and put them all on vouchers, you will have people forced onto the street, higher crime and an increasing risk of suicides.

Only for things they greedly want, which they should rightly be thrown in jail for anyway.

I hope that all those that mention this idea end up jobless!

I was jobless for 2 months, started a new role this week. So i didn't lay about and sponge off the state like some do. I wouldn't complain about vouchers because that's what i was spending my money on anyway. In fact i joined the work force this week with 500 in the bank, which goes to show it was getting more then i needed!

But back to the more sane idea, House/Flat rent needs to be lowered a lot as such so will the benefits being claimed. Some of the rental for properties are damn ridiculous, for example a tiny studio flat should not cost nearly £450. Most of the benefits go to Landlords and people don't get anywhere near it, but hey lets stick these people on vouchers and see what happens!

The only thing that would happen is Labour supporters arranging pointless marches

Of all the people in this thread Mr Jack has his head on his shoulders!
Just LOL!
 
I was jobless for 2 months, started a new role this week. So i didn't lay about and sponge off the state like some do.

Congratulations, you were better off than some then :)

Did you have rent to pay, Electric bills e.t.c?

What if you didn't find a job?
 
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