*** The Official FIFA 13 Thread ***

Ask Timbrad, he convinced me to make a Brazil 5221 at the end of FIFA 12 - I sold it after a game, it was that rubbish to play with - just no fun to it whatsoever, zero width, players felt too spread out, it was just a pain to use as all it seemed to do was invite attack while you hoped to counter.

Frankly amazed why people play it other than the fact it loads the defense - only reasoning I can come up with which is my premise why others feel they have to use it, because seemingly they cant defend otherwise?

Andbtsn, youd do better to assume I have an opinion on something I havent tried or played against...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Andybtsn said:
One game....
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Yes, youre never one to change teams overnight now are you? Perhaps some of us are a bit quicker at that realisation? ;)

Its not that hard to work out when you occasionally play against it
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Anyone can have an opinion, I'm sure Stewy will be in shortly with his broken record ;)
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I see your brand of tape is Scotch :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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ps3ud0 said:
Massive difference is it takes zero skill to use a 5atb team defensively - thats the whole 'fire versus fire' argument in a nutshell whereas it takes some skill to make 352 (or any 3atb) as effective.

Im sorry but people are deluded in thinking that 5atb screams anything other than being **** at defending or plainly just **** at the game. There are no excuses other than those...
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If 'skill' is pressing left twice on the pad to move to defensive then yeah I agree :D. 5221 is actually pretty offensive if you play on balanced, it's very similar to 352 other than the wingbacks just start a little further back on restarts but in terms of getting at the formation the same principles apply.

Two CDMs versus two CMs and two wide midfielders versus wing backs.... they're actually very similar formations.

3421 and 3412 take some skill to make work whereas 352 doesn't really. There's a very good reason the mass majority of people you play against use 352 :D.

I can defend very well, thanks, but fancied making a 5th team with a 5 at the back formation so I did :D.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Then thats the difference between me and you, Ive always played FIFA to make beautiful goals - plenty of posts by me on the previous FIFA threads saying the same...
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That’s fine, each to their own. If you play for Fifa (online) to make beautiful goals that’s where you get your enjoyment. As mentioned each to their own. I have never played COD and have no intention of playing it :p

But assuming everyone who plays with 5atb has no skill is just ignorant. I use it because I personally find it fun and its effective. Especially in seasons (div 1) where majority of opponents is pace abuse based. 5atb is an effective counter.

Also as Andy mentioned most wingbacks that are used (inc the ones I use) tend to have H/L work rates anyways so they tend to hover more up front.

It’s a pointless discussion this though. As you have a different end goal :p than me. I agree with you I would much rather play a "beautiful game" but fifa 13 FUT makes this next to impossible unless you are extremely good at fifa and use full manual controls. Which I simply do not have the time to master. So I'm bound to go with majority and try to win. I don't want to try play a beautiful game online (especially in FUT) just to get annoyed and frustrated against teams that pure pace abuse.
 
chanjy said:
Pretty sure ps3ud0's time of the month is right now :p
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Probably :p. I just find it amazing people backslapping each other because they are using 5atb, its like Hilter backslapping Mussolini - Ive hit ad nauseum so I must have won by now :p;). Its quite depressing to see how far FUT has seemingly fallen when such tactics are acceptable, I know the average FIFA player isnt much better than a footy hooligan, but Ive never felt 'if I cant beat them, join them' like some here have, Id rather just stop playing...

@Adsta - perhaps its ignorant to think you cant play 'well' as a 5atb team, Ive just never ever seen a single player thats used it as such over the numerous FUTs Ive played online. Its quite obvious from all the backlash you get online, theres quite a fair few people that share that same ignorance as you put it...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Adsta said:
It’s a pointless discussion this though. As you have a different end goal :p than me. I agree with you I would much rather play a "beautiful game" but fifa 13 FUT makes this next to impossible unless you are extremely good at fifa and use full manual controls.
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That's the best thing, the people who say it's boring, you can't play football, you'd think they play like Spain but then you come up against them and they just play like all the other guys, lobbed through balls, 1-2 spamming etc etc.

12 you could create good player, 13 not so.
 
Look I think we have the same opinion just from different perspectives, I just found what FUT 13 did to my play unacceptable as I was playing worse to get anywhere and felt with all the additional randomness to try something different just got to the point where you played percentages instead.

Its the reason why I play FUT12, I just cant stomach FUT13 in comparison

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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@Adsta - perhaps its ignorant to think you can play as a 5atb team, Ive just never ever seen a single player thats used it as such over the numerous FUTs Ive played online. Its quite obvious from all the backlash you get online, theres quite a fair few people that share that same ignorance as you put it...
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That makes complete sense.... I'm just going to leave it there it's pointless discussing with you.

You have your view, I have mine.
 
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Adsta said:
That makes complete sense.... I'm just going to leave it there it's pointless discussing with you.

You have your view, I have mine.
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I edited, missed the t ;) - surely that was obvious reading it in context with the remainder of the sentence :confused:
Stewy said:
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Go away, youll just make it into a massive pointless argument! :D

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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lol I edited my post with the t one min before you ;) :p

Just read your other post. Yea your right I think we are all coming from the same page. But others are just reacting different. 12 is still a better game compared to 13 (in my opinion) I certainly don't play 13 as much as I did 12. I'm hopeful that 14 may fix the problems with 13. But until then as already mentioned quite a few times we each have our own end game. I just want to win and not rage out trying to pass around and play a "decent" game just to have my opponent score stupid goals, spamming 1-2, lobbed through balls and crazy deflections that drop to their ST that taps it in.

FUT13 is broke. Then again in 12 it was the OP finesse shots ;) and still a lot of pace abuse.
 
Never gonna lose pace abuse, unfortunately its easy to model pace, not so easy to model skill - I dont seem to want to blame EA for that, but they obviously come out with rubbish each year about how the game isnt going to be about pace when it always is...

FIFA as a whole is broken, so many things that still havent been fixed from several years ago, no impetus to fix it though while people still buy it. While EA attempt to 'level the playing field' by adding in randomness, I have no reason to buy the game...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Designing the game away from pace abuse is so difficult in fairness, I mean the best footballers, Xavi / Iniesta / Messi etc., are so good because of their footballing brains, not because they are lolomgsofast. However, in Fifa their footballing brain is replaced with the player's.

I can understand why they have added first touch to try and make better footballers... well, better at football. For some reason, though, the first touch gimmick is seemingly random rather than a reflection of their ball control stat. The only way they can really get away from the focus on physical stats, mainly pace, is to make technical stats more important as at the moment they are so irrelevant in comparison.
 
The thing is first touch could so easily be the composite of certain existing skills (or a trait to make it easier for EA) matched with how the ball is played to the player (height/power/what part of body used for control) but EA ignored that and just made it random from what Ive experienced.

I understand why it should be introduced to remove instant passing but the current implementation is no way representative, yes players cant always offload after the first touch, but rarely do they miscontrol it like FIFA 13 thinks. Hell as a cop-out it be an easy way to differentiate between bronze, silver and gold if they want to be lazy...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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I tried 5atb for 3 games and sold the team quite promptly. It was dull and lacking any width with the formation designed for the counter attack. I am yet to come across a team using this formation without any strikers below 86.

I prefer to play build up football working the ball around the player for goals. But I suppose it's each to there own.
 
How? You have no midfield in a 5atb form, the only option you have is to route one it...?

sorry, I'm not going to get ranty. I'm not.
 
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