4K gaming likely to be doable in 2013?

[nalla]

Ok thanks for clearing that up. But is that an industry standard? Are we going to get console games that do 4k or we getting tricked again like 1080p

i doubt it very much as the next gen consoles are already in production, and current consoles rarely display @1080p so i presums that next will do all games @1080p and if they dont well it a poor show.

pc's on the other hand can and will display 4k and 8k resolutions, but its all down to how much gpu grunt you have.

as for films they are already being filmed with 4k cameras so expect them to in cinemas soon, butdont expect 4k on bluray anythime soon.

 

[GAC]

as for films they are already being filmed with 4k cameras so expect them to in cinemas soon, butdont expect 4k on bluray anythime soon.

id expect something next year as the ps4 is supposed to be able to output at 4k so sony will be using it as a selling point again like they did with bluray on the ps3. not saying we will all be able to afford it but i wouldnt be surprised to see some cropping up early next year.

 

[Gibbo3771]

I have seen comparison screenshots between 1080p and 4k and really, unless you are focusing on someones freckle detail when you are shooting them, then it is utterly pointless.

1080p is good enough for now, if not for a long time.

 

[andybird123]

I have seen comparison screenshots between 1080p and 4k and really, unless you are focusing on someones freckle detail when you are shooting them, then it is utterly pointless.

1080p is good enough for now, if not for a long time.

I don't know why everyone is talking about movies, I meant this thread to be entirely about GAMING at 4K

 

[555BUK]

By the time 4K screens are within most homes, PC gaming will be dead. Here's to hoping that the PS4 or XBOX 720 (or PS5 / XBOX 960) will handle 4K.

I cannot make out individual pixels on my 1080P 50"er from normal viewing distances, so I gain from 4K, unless of course the screen is atleast twice as big. When I need >70" and have somewhere to hang it I may consider one.

It is like Apple developing better than retina display resolution for iphones. What's the point umless you have 10-20 vision?

 

[Gregster]

Personally, I would love to see affordable (under £1500) for a decent size 4K monitor before January 2014 and would jump on one for that price. I have no intention of changing my monitors for the time being but would happily put a 4K monitor next to my screens and see how it fairs.

 

[Gibbo3771]

I don't know why everyone is talking about movies, I meant this thread to be entirely about GAMING at 4K

I am talking about gaming lol

 

[andybird123]

By the time 4K screens are within most homes, PC gaming will be dead. Here's to hoping that the PS4 or XBOX 720 (or PS5 / XBOX 960) will handle 4K.

I cannot make out individual pixels on my 1080P 50"er from normal viewing distances, so I gain from 4K, unless of course the screen is atleast twice as big. When I need >70" and have somewhere to hang it I may consider one.

It is like Apple developing better than retina display resolution for iphones. What's the point umless you have 10-20 vision?

this is irrelavent to the thread too, it is pretty obvious that "most homes" won't have 4K TV's until there is widespread 4K content, e.g. broadcast, which is a long way off (though I like the way that people are still predicting the death of PC gaming, a full 10 years of so on from the first time it was touted)

but since when do people use their home TV for PC gaming (by and large)?
people use their PC monitor as their PC monitor, and their TV as a TV

cheap 4K panels being available makes 4K gaming a realistic prospect, where as until this year, 4K screens were many 10's of thousands of pounds

as soon as there is a 4K display that can do DP 1.2 (or a converter to do DP 1.2 to HDMI 2.0), around 40", I will be all over that sh**

I won't be buying a 4K TV until there is an abundance 4K content - I don't even have a 3D TV as there isn't enough 3D content available yet to make it worthwhile upgrading from my normal 1080 TV

 

[JeditOjanen]

By the time 4K screens are within most homes, PC gaming will be dead.

If I had £5 for every time I've heard someone say "By the time Technology X is mainstream, PC gaming will be dead", I could buy you as a slave to grind my WoW gold. (Let's face it, it's the only way I'll ever get that flippin' Yak. )

 

[Mr Krugga]

I have seen comparison screenshots between 1080p and 4k and really, unless you are focusing on someones freckle detail when you are shooting them, then it is utterly pointless.

1080p is good enough for now, if not for a long time.

How can you judge the benefits of higher resolution by looking at a screenshot comparison?

 

[David Bisset]

Funny it'd look the same isn't it?

 

[andybird123]

bit more on this;

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/4/16/what-the-4k!.aspx

we are currently testing Sharp's QuadHD monitor for gaming as well, since it has a single DisplayPort 1.2 cable instead of two Dual-Link DVI cables. We'll be working on bringing you QuadHD gaming performance for all of the latest graphics cards as well as applications and hope to answer any 4K or QuadHD questions you might have.

 

[Mal X]

I want 4K to have both a slightly better DPI but also a much bigger screen... I want immersion... 7680x1440 is ok, but I'd prefer something about 40" in 4K for gaming

it isn't doable now in as much as sub £20,000 displays for gaming are not yet available, but should be this year... having the graphics cards and no display is not what I would call fun

it's not the display that's the problem, my Panny will do 1080p perfectly, it's the quality of the game that's poor, you cant get total immersion yet because the quality of the modelling isn't good enough....you stroll around inside a horror game and all you think is, ``this is just a game, look at the modelling; it looks awfall``, this is every game !

games will still look bad on 4k, because it will only look good when someone bothers to detail items accurately !!!

you are in for a big shock if you upgrade to OLED/ 4K......because those coffee mugs/ tables and chairs will still look rubbish.... only HD TV will look better !

 

[andybird123]

it's not the display that's the problem, my Panny will do 1080p perfectly, it's the quality of the game that's poor, you cant get total immersion yet because the quality of the modelling isn't good enough....you stroll around inside a horror game and all you think is, ``this is just a game, look at the modelling; it looks awfall``, this is every game !

games will still look bad on 4k, because it will only look good when someone bothers to detail items accurately !!!

you are in for a big shock if you upgrade to OLED/ 4K......because those coffee mugs/ tables and chairs will still look rubbish.... only HD TV will look better !

I'm not sure what games you are playing, but every game I play looks decidedly better at 1440p over 1080p

you are missing the point entirely... at 2-3 feet on a 27" 1080p screen I can see individual pixels because the PPI is too low... at 1440p that goes away, but I want a bigger screen than 27"

I currently have 7680x1440 but i don't really like the letter box effect, I would much prefer to have 1 large screen at a higher resolution

I already know that you game on a big TV from like 8-10 feet away, so it is totally not the same situation... go sit 2-3 feet away from your TV and then tell me it's a good way to play and that you would get no benefit from a PPI increase

 

[Mal X]

I'm not sure what games you are playing, but every game I play looks decidedly better at 1440p over 1080p

you are missing the point entirely... at 2-3 feet on a 27" 1080p screen I can see individual pixels because the PPI is too low... at 1440p that goes away, but I want a bigger screen than 27"

I currently have 7680x1440 but i don't really like the letter box effect, I would much prefer to have 1 large screen at a higher resolution

I already know that you game on a big TV from like 8-10 feet away, so it is totally not the same situation... go sit 2-3 feet away from your TV and then tell me it's a good way to play and that you would get no benefit from a PPI increase

no you dont see anything on 1080p at 8ft on a Panny plasma, the image is sharp and perfect, but i did on my last HD TV, BECAUSE it's not just down to 1080p, it's the quality of the screen panel that's critical... i.e the Panny has additional Pixel smoothing, sharpness functions/ professional calibration settings etc.

a monitor is no use to me at all because it's way too small at 8ft away....i've never gamed via a monitor, so your arguement does not apply to me.

so for me, a 4k OLED is useless for gaming, because as said, the games modelling isn't going to look any better on 4k, because as said it doesn't have enough detailing in the 1st place.

it looks good on a minitor, yea because it's a tiny screen, so a coffee mug is much smaller and the faults are bound to be hidden, but you wait till you see that on a 55'' screen...it'll look awfall.

conclusion:- raising the res wont help for gaming on a big screen, until you raise the quality of the modelling as well, all an OLED will do is to improve colour/ contrast/ motion handling/3D/ refresh rate and finally sharpness.

e.g DOOM 3 will still look bad on a 55'' 4k OLED, just like it does on my 55'' Panny right now.

model detailing, it's critical on a large screen, you'd know exactly what i mean if you saw my tv..... i get truly awesome lighting/ water effects/ DX 11, in fact, it looks as good as BLU-RAY, it's the items up close that look so wrong, but it is getting better.

 

[Rusty0611]

No it's not Mal. It's because you sit far away from it. Your post is a confused muddle and I don't really understand what you're getting at

 

[andybird123]

still missing the point Mal

you told ME that I would get no benefit from 4K

what you meant was that YOU would get no benefit from 4K

if you are using a 9 year old game as your benchmark for the state of good graphics then this may be where you are going wrong

I've also not once mentioned OLED so I don't know why you keep banging on about it

also, any post processing you are using on your TV will introduce input lag, which is a definite no no for my purposes

the fact that you seem to feel able to comment on what works for good gaming, having never even seen a gaming monitor speaks volumes about the credibility of your input

 

[1kiwi]

I'm assuming he is talking about console games at console quality settings. Having had a 30" DELL I can honestly say that the amount of cash you need to spend in order to maintain solid 60FPS is not really worth the additional detail. I would rather game at 120Hz on a smaller resolution. Less detail but the overall experience is much smoother (I'm an FPS gamer - I realise MMOs/RTS requirements are different).

Regarding gaming at this resolution I think this is only relevant for those who can afford the graphics horse power. There is no way the next gen consoles will be able to maintain 60FPS at this res with any type of acceptable quality. It's only going to apply to those who want a 30"+++ experience who also have the cash to buy top end graphics cards 3 times over. I can't see why you would want this resolution at <30" as the DPI wouldn't be that descernable.

In conclusion I don't really think 4K is that relevant for us gamers at all. I'm more interested in this technology when paired with a 65"+ monster TV and a kickarse surround sound system.

 

[Mal X]

still missing the point Mal

you told ME that I would get no benefit from 4K

what you meant was that YOU would get no benefit from 4K

if you are using a 9 year old game as your benchmark for the state of good graphics then this may be where you are going wrong

I've also not once mentioned OLED so I don't know why you keep banging on about it

also, any post processing you are using on your TV will introduce input lag, which is a definite no no for my purposes

the fact that you seem to feel able to comment on what works for good gaming, having never even seen a gaming monitor speaks volumes about the credibility of your input

it's horses for courses, i'm on about 55'' 4k OLED... No the games i'm talking about are FC3, CRYSIS 2, Bioshock infinity, they still look junk close up....DOOM 3 is just an example and a good one too..... because Crysis will look as bad as this in 8 years time as well.

modern games aren't detailed well enough for 4k tv and i dont understand how you lot dont realise this, because if you think Crysis 3 looks great, then you need a reality check, parts of it look flipping awfall, no better than 6 years ago !!!!

 

[Mal X]

but what i dont understand is :-

is the 7990 ok for 4k OLED with regards to the HDMI, my guess is that it's better to wait for the 8000 series, because this OLED tech wasn't an issue last year and the 7990 is last years card.

none of this might matter because OLED TV is still 2 years off, so in 2 years my 7970 will be history anyway, i guess it just depends if i'm stupid enough to buy an OLED next year !!!!

finally, they're fooling around with 8K TV as well, called ``supervision``, but i expect this is for super sized tvs only