Israel launches strike on Syria

sports_brah · 5 May 2013 at 15:32

didn't say it was going to be acted on easily, rather that if it an attack was to happen that such events would give justification.

Rroff · 5 May 2013 at 15:36

Tefal said:
how so, given that it's the only nuclear power never to have set off one of it's nukes?

They have a very different mentality tho to many/most other countries that have them. (In the event that they were over-run they would detonate their own nuclear arsenal under the theme of if we can't have the land no one can).

Castiel · 5 May 2013 at 15:45

sports_brah said:
didn't say it was going to be acted on easily, rather that if it an attack was to happen that such events would give justification.

Perhaps, although you did say "easily be declared an act of War" and given both the situation in Syria and the ability of the Syrians or the Lebanese to actually prosecute such a declaration I would say that the chances are highly unlikely. Far more likely is that the Lebanese will complain of illegal incursions into their Airspace against International Law and the Syrians will simply pretend it didn't happen while the Israeli's themselves just ignore everyone and continue to do as they please. The Israeli's sit on occupied Syrian Land and have done for decades, if Syria were going to need a justification for declaring war then they have the legal justification for already.

Tefal · 5 May 2013 at 15:56

arknor said:
look how often israel does airstrikes

look how often we and America invade places and do airstrikes:/

on the scale of foreign aggression the uk ranks way above israel.

if another big wars involving multiple countries happen it's going to be because of israel thinking they have the right to go around blowing stuff up all the time

you sure it's not going to be us, going "**** it lets start yet another war"?

israel has been picking o nlittle countries that no one cares about and can;t really do anything, we've been ****ing off nuclear nations that are politically unstable, that's definitely not going to **** up first is it?

Theophany · 5 May 2013 at 15:59

I don't understand why there is so much hate toward Israel. :/

arknor · 5 May 2013 at 16:01

Tefal said:
look how often we and America invade places and do airstrikes:/

on the scale of foreign aggression the uk ranks way above israel.

you sure it's not going to be us, going "**** it lets start yet another war"?

israel has been picking o nlittle countries that no one cares about and can;t really do anything, we've been ****ing off nuclear nations that are politically unstable, that's definitely not going to **** up first is it?

syria and iran don't have nukes? israel **** them off all the time america and the west choose targets more wisely

Freefaller · 5 May 2013 at 16:03

arknor said:
we were one of the countries that helped Israel acquire nuclear technology. (I think france , us and norway were the others but I CBA to google)

likely to be the country that starts a nuclear war if there ever is one

Indeed.

Not many people I don't like as I love all but I find Isareli behaviour appalling and I'm not surprised at this. Whilst a lot of open minded and western Isralies I know are relaxed, humble and not aggressive a lot of them unfortunately are vitriolic and vile people. I dislike everything Israel stands for I'm afraid. I'm pro Arab though and probably a little biased and probably the minority here.

Malevolence · 5 May 2013 at 16:04

If Syria are supplying Hezbollah with weapons to be used against Israel, including anti-aircraft missiles, then to be honest they're perfectly justified in taking action to stop it. We did when the Libyans were supplying the Provos.

Theophany · 5 May 2013 at 16:07

Freefaller said:
Indeed.

Not many people I don't like as I love all but I find Isareli behaviour appalling and I'm not surprised at this. Whilst a lot of open minded and western Isralies I know are relaxed, humble and not aggressive a lot of them unfortunately are vitriolic and vile people. I dislike everything Israel stands for I'm afraid. I'm pro Arab though and probably a little biased and probably the minority here.

I think if my people had been scapegoated for centuries, been exterminated, ridiculed and hated, we'd be a bit tetchy too.

Freefaller · 5 May 2013 at 16:15

Indeed. That's exactly what Israel does and why people don't like them, that's very succinctly and well put - agreed entirely. They're just a bunch of bullies. Wish they'd give the Palestinians back their land too.

semi-pro waster · 5 May 2013 at 16:16

Theophany said:
I think if my people had been scapegoated for centuries, been exterminated, ridiculed and hated, we'd be a bit tetchy too.

Tetchy enough to (arguably) be the aggressors in the situation? I'd rather naively hope that experience of persecution would make you more likely to try and avoid perpetrating it rather than less likely but given how often abuse begets abuse that ideal is shown up for the foolishness that it is.

I'll freely admit that this isn't a situation I know a huge amount about, frankly I find it all a bit depressing given that neither side is entirely innocent here but sadly compromise seems about as far away as ever. For either side to walk away happy it appears that the other side must be vanquished, that can never lead to a decent or reasonable outcome.

//edit or have I misunderstood which side you're referring to as tetchy? I thought you meant the Israelis but do you mean the Palestinians? Either way I don't think either side is without blame here - trying to find a precise apportionment would strike me as futile however.

Theophany · 5 May 2013 at 16:26

semi-pro waster said:
Tetchy enough to (arguably) be the aggressors in the situation? I'd rather naively hope that experience of persecution would make you more likely to try and avoid perpetrating it rather than less likely but given how often abuse begets abuse that ideal is shown up for the foolishness that it is.

I'll freely admit that this isn't a situation I know a huge amount about, frankly I find it all a bit depressing given that neither side is entirely innocent here but sadly compromise seems about as far away as ever. For either side to walk away happy it appears that the other side must be vanquished, that can never lead to a decent or reasonable outcome.

//edit or have I misunderstood which side you're referring to as tetchy? I thought you meant the Israelis but do you mean the Palestinians? Either way I don't think either side is without blame here - trying to find a precise apportionment would strike me as futile however.

No, you've understood perfectly pal.

I think you've summed it up rather well, neither side is blameless and attempting to apportion any kind of blame is a veritable minefield. Whilst violence begets violence, I can understand why Israel has a militant tendency. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I am pro-Israel, but I have spent many years sympathising with chequered past of the Jewish faith as a whole.

EvilDreams · 5 May 2013 at 16:33

Would some mutually assured destruction clear up the situation in the Middle East?

Freefaller · 5 May 2013 at 16:43

Theophany said:
No, you've understood perfectly pal.

I think you've summed it up rather well, neither side is blameless and attempting to apportion any kind of blame is a veritable minefield. Whilst violence begets violence, I can understand why Israel has a militant tendency. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I am pro-Israel, but I have spent many years sympathising with chequered past of the Jewish faith as a whole.

That's actually a very fair opinion/point. However as much as I agree with what you're saying I am very firmly more pro-Arab.

Theophany · 5 May 2013 at 16:44

Freefaller said:
That's actually a very fair opinion/point. However as much as I agree with what you're saying I am very firmly more pro-Arab.

Understandable, I think it likely comes down to your personal morals and values. Trying to argue that one of our opinions is more right than the other would be a waste of time.

Wow, that was a very grown up discourse for GD!

sports_brah · 5 May 2013 at 16:47

I don't like the Jew's treatment of other religions, in particular Christianity, especially as there are a lot of Christian heritage sites there.

However, I can't help but feel that they are very beset from all sides. All they want is a bit of land and space to call their own. They do not engage in proselytism and I feel would like to just exist.

However as has been shown for the longest of times, their neighbours will never let it happen.

No1newts · 5 May 2013 at 16:54

Theophany said:
I don't understand why there is so much hate toward Israel. :/

Because its an easy bandwagon to jump on, you can be in the majority and not have to justify your hate.

As above I can see the reasons behind both sides of the argument, I however sit on the Israeli side.

Malevolence · 5 May 2013 at 17:02

sports_brah said:
I can't help but feel that they are very beset from all sides.

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

Theophany · 5 May 2013 at 17:04

Malevolence said:
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

Ah yes, Tarantino is well known for his role in international relations.

zoomee · 5 May 2013 at 17:34

Whilst the UK isn't involved to this level of wanton destruction and attacks in other countries, the US definatley can not be excused. Maybe that's why they sympathise with the israeli's so much. What else do we expect from a region of states (US of A) that annihilated the indigenous population to establish their own 'democracy'.

Truth about Israel for the pro-israeli's: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

Lest you also forget - The state of Israel was the creation of terrorist groups......

Israel launches strike on Syria

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