Does UKIP have any longevity in politics?

[Monkeynut]

^I don't think Edinburgh uni students are idiots.

I don't think he meant all of them, merely the ones taking part in the yobbish behaviour.

It tends to be a good idea to go to the relevant city you are campaigning in. The purpose of his visit was to support the candidate in Aberdeen.

Partially, but there was probably some general campaigning in there as well to boost his overall vote share in Scotland. The party, being a small one, likely has more limited resources.

That has nothing to do with what I've said.

Except you clearly disapprove of the concept that UKIP should stand in Scotland, unless, god forbid, they gain traction.

 

[Biohazard]

Speaking as a student, I am yet to encounter a student political campaigner that can not be truthfully described as a bit of an idiot

Speaks the voice of authority on all politically minded students?

 

[D.P.]

I want to keep as much of my own money as possible as I work hard but understand that a contribution needs to be made into 'the pot'.

Last time I checked UKIP were a low tax party, advocating a 25% flat tax. Supporting this doesn't make me a racist or mentally retarded. Yes they have some other policies I might not agree with but then there are aspects of ALL political parties I don't like. UKIP seem to be the only party out there atm who realise that the government shouldn't be allowed to confiscate 42%+ of your salary, it's daylight robbery.

The Nazis had a some good policies, doesn't mean I would like to vote for them. When you vote for a party you have to take its policies as a whole, not cherry pick the things you agree with and turn a blind eye on anything darker.


I would also like a smaller, more efficient government, with lower taxes and greater social freedom, but with a social policy that doesn't belong in the 17th century.

There are no easy solutions here but the UKIP are clearly not the ones to achieve this. Their policies would only increase public spending so taxes would only rise. Even their so called flat-rate tax they are now claiming would be a 2 tier tax, something like at 31% and 45%. Either way, their total tax take would have to be higher than current taxation level to support their larger government spending. If they increase corporation taxes then you may find more and more companies pulling out of the UK which is very bad. Even if they had some kind of cohesive economic policy with true libertarian underpinnings you would still be voting for a party run by small minded bigots with an absolutely abhorrent social policy.

 

[Biohazard]

I don't think he meant all of them, merely the ones taking part in the yobbish behaviour.

Err.. "Typical brainless students"

Partially, but there was probably some general campaigning in there as well to boost his overall vote share in Scotland. The party, being a small one, likely has more limited resources.

No it's not partially a good idea, it's generally the done thing.

Except you clearly disapprove of the concept that UKIP should stand in Scotland, unless, god forbid, they gain traction.

How do you conclude this?

 

[Biohazard]

forcing political opposition away through violence?

Coming back to this now that I'm on a computer and can type easily, what violence?

 

[Biohazard]

He is also accusing BBC Scotland interviewers of being "anti-English";

Nigel Farage blasts 'anti-English' protesters

UKIP leader Nigel Farage has hit back at protesters who besieged him in an Edinburgh pub.

Mr Farage said the anger was linked to a desire for the Union Jack to be burnt.

He also told Good Morning Scotland's David Miller that UKIP had set its sights on Scottish success.

But the UKIP leader later hung up saying the interview was "was insulting and unpleasant".

A spokesperson for BBC Scotland said: "The BBC stands by the interview, which was robust but fair."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22566180

Then hangs up the phone when the line of questioning doesn't suit.

Intellectually feeble.

If I was to tell you some of the things being chanted, as I attempted to do, on em, this morning on the BBC Radio show, to be ignored, it was vehemently anti-English, eh, they wanted the Union Jack burnt and other things done with it*, and this was pure and, ironic actually, the demonstration that tended to be about racism was so racist itself.

*He was told to stick it up his arse.

That's right, burning our own flag and telling a politician to stuff it is anti-English.

 

[philip2009]

It tends to be a good idea to go to the relevant city you are campaigning in. The purpose of his visit was to support the candidate in Aberdeen.

Yes, he should have been made to show his papers before trying to travel between different parts of the UK. You are a typical Scottish nationalist.

 

[Monkeynut]

Err.. "Typical brainless students"

It reads to me that he isn't tarnishing all students, but rather some or most. But not all, that's the point. I don't think he's so daft.

No it's not partially a good idea, it's generally the done thing.

It's generally the done thing if you're a major established party with enormous resources but when you're a smaller party you have to juggle.

How do you conclude this?

Up the student mob!

End London Rule

The fact that you seem to encourage mob behaviour against political figures rather than intellectually debating with them. Farage tried this with several of the protesters - but was heckled anyway. If your arguments were watertight, you'd have no problem beating him in debate and he'd never win any seats of any stature in Scotland, and you'd be happy seeing him waste his deposits. Since you prefer mob tactics, perhaps you don't feel as comfortably intellectual superior as you'd like to think you are, and don't want UKIP anywhere near Scotland.

 

[sports_brah]

Speaking as a student, I am yet to encounter a student political campaigner that can not be truthfully described as a bit of an idiot

 

[Biohazard]

It reads to me that he isn't tarnishing all students, but rather some or most. But not all, that's the point. I don't think he's so daft.

I think his sentiment is more than clear with that statement, and I don't think it wise to brush such a wide stroke.

It's generally the done thing if you're a major established party with enormous resources but when you're a smaller party you have to juggle.

I'm sure he could have afforded to get to Aberdeen to campaign with his candidate amongst the communities.

Continental Europe doesn't seem to be a problem for him?

The fact that you seem to encourage mob behaviour against political figures rather than intellectually debating with them. Farage tried this with several of the protesters - but was heckled anyway.

Encouraged? Found it funny perhaps, but Scotland has a long history of radicalism and protest. It's nothing new, it's never going away, it's part of the woven fabric.

If your arguments were watertight, you'd have no problem beating him in debate and he'd never win any seats of any stature in Scotland, and you'd be happy seeing him waste his deposits. Since you prefer mob tactics, perhaps you don't feel as comfortably intellectual superior as you'd like to think you are, and don't want UKIP anywhere near Scotland.

Just a bit ad hom, but I'll bite. I wasn't there, so I can't really test my arguments against Farage personally. I was too busy working and only found out about it later. My arguments are certainly reasoned, I would think, and many of them on Europe actually mirror Farage. The points he raises about EU transparency democracy and process are quite correct, I would be in favour of EU withdrawal to EFTA myself, but that's where our similarities would end. His hatred of other nations in the European parliament, and of foreigners almost in entirety, is a bit off-putting but otherwise I am sometimes intrigued by him and have even proclaimed his debating technique. He isn't an unintelligent man by any stretch, just a bit of a racist and a homophobe in my opinion.

I don't want UKIP anywhere near Scotland? I'm indifferent to be honest, that they have no elected representatives in Scotland what so ever I'm quite confident in saying Scotland doesn't want UKIP.

 

[NirK]

Speaking as a student, I am yet to encounter a student political campaigner that can not be truthfully described as a bit of an idiot

I think is is more related to age than "students"... Most people under the age of about 22 frankly have no idea what they are talking about regarding politics as a rule. But yes most students are under this age so I suppose you have a point.

 

[eggyoke]

^I don't think Edinburgh uni students are idiots

The students in the videos regarding this story, and the description of events, those particular Edinburgh university students prove you otherwise.

Coming back to this now that I'm on a computer and can type easily, what violence?

Really now...? Did you think that was a peaceful political protest? Watch the video again and this time take your rose coloured glasses off.

I understand that you have your own political views and stance on the overall situation regarding UKIP, but trying to justify the rabid and undemocratic behaviour of those students or even praising it, is ridiculous.

If any pre-planned politically motivated event sets out in causing unlawful trouble with the intention of influencing the work of a politician, then it fails before it even begins. Can you see why?

Anything that needs a police escort, that requires a person to be "locked in" inside a building for their own safety, that causes taxi cab drivers to turn away because of a mob... yes very peaceful, happens all the time in the democratic process, oh but wait, they've stopped that process the moment they set out.

These people shouldn't be given airtime for their behaviour either, as like children, it simply motivates and encourages the same behaviour again.

I think his sentiment is more than clear with that statement, and I don't think it wise to brush such a wide stroke.

No. While I'd rather not go into this as its off topic, my point was quite clear as others have said. Though it could have been worded better, I'll grant you that.

As much of what I've mentioned above already, I was talking about the young idiots that throw themselves into political rallies and demonstrations regarding often times situations and worldly events that they simply have never had to deal with themselves. Real life struggles. It's all well and true that they believe strongly in issues and have their own beliefs and political stances, that's great, I'm not trying to deny them of those things. My point is that there are methods to go about voicing those beliefs, about debating those policies and issues that they disagree with.

They scream and shout, get in your face, throw their arms about and make problems for everyone, completely stopping the democratic process in motion. All the while telling themselves that they have a moral authority to do so. It's walking, talking irony at its finest. And these young people are supposed to be smart?

Obviously it's not just students that act this way, but the point behind the irony of their behaviour is much more apparent when it is. This latest nonsense proves it. Nobody has any right in trying to stop the political process of a party leaders work, they have no right to stop the lawful process of a politician who represents thousands of people who voted for them no matter how much you disagree with the policies of that party, it is unlawful and undemocratic to try and take away peoples free choices whether you consider your views to be of superior intellectual origin or not. They're nothing but self-satisfied, arrogant hypocrites that want attention. Thugs that stop the free and open process of democracy. That is it, as simple as that. If you can't debate policies with words, then act with your vote, just like every other person has to settle for. It's not a perfect way of governing, but it's the fairest and best we've got.

 

[deanolfc]

Britain pretends to be a democracy. If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

 

[PooBrain]

I am quite angry at what happened to Nige up in Scotland to be honest. As soon as those haggis-breathed morons harped on about UKIP being racist etc i was like.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Typical brainless students, flailing their arms, shouting and demanding things that they have no proper life experience in dealing with. Flightful ideologies based on nothing but a moment scratching their arses in a university campus and wanting a bit of fun.

Mindless hypocrites that are given media time and encouraged. I would be frightened to see a world that those idiots envision, you know, lack of reasonable ability to debate, forcing political opposition away through violence?

Sounds marvellous students, marvellous.

I think the story here is wanabee political leader unable to cope with a small number of student hecklers. He throws a hissy fit. It says more about Farage and his inability to cope with the rough and tumble of politics than the protestors.

 

[PooBrain]

I think the story here is wanabee political leader unable to cope with a small number of student hecklers. He throws a hissy fit. It says more about Farage and his inability to cope with the rough and tumble of politics than the protestors.

Can you blame him? He was treated the same way as the BNP. Those Scottish students were bang out and acted like actual scum.

 

[Sankari]

Immensely satisfying to see Farange publicly humiliated. If he can't even handle a bunch of uni students, he's never going to survive the rough and tumble of British politics.

Back to the Brussels gravy train, Mr Farage! Enjoy your permanent taxpayer-funded Euro-holiday, you miserable little hypocrite.

 

[kwerk]

Tolerant bunch, these students.

 

[arctine]

I want to keep as much of my own money as possible as I work hard but understand that a contribution needs to be made into 'the pot'.

Last time I checked UKIP were a low tax party, advocating a 25% flat tax. Supporting this doesn't make me a racist or mentally retarded. Yes they have some other policies I might not agree with but then there are aspects of ALL political parties I don't like. UKIP seem to be the only party out there atm who realise that the government shouldn't be allowed to confiscate 42%+ of your salary, it's daylight robbery.

Since when does the government take 42% of your salary?

I must say, of all the policies that you might follow them for, this is one of the most stupid.

 

[Biohazard]

The students in the videos regarding this story, and the description of events, those particular Edinburgh university students prove you otherwise.

I don't think they do, and the croud wasn't just students either.

Really now...? Did you think that was a peaceful political protest? Watch the video again and this time take your rose coloured glasses off.

I have watched the video, I see no violence?

I understand that you have your own political views and stance on the overall situation regarding UKIP, but trying to justify the rabid and undemocratic behaviour of those students or even praising it, is ridiculous.

No it's not, it's democracy, a boisterous student demonstration.

If any pre-planned politically motivated event sets out in causing unlawful trouble with the intention of influencing the work of a politician, then it fails before it even begins. Can you see why?

I don't think they failed in their objective.

Anything that needs a police escort, that requires a person to be "locked in" inside a building for their own safety, that causes taxi cab drivers to turn away because of a mob... yes very peaceful, happens all the time in the democratic process, oh but wait, they've stopped that process the moment they set out.

These people shouldn't be given airtime for their behaviour either, as like children, it simply motivates and encourages the same behaviour again.


No. While I'd rather not go into this as its off topic, my point was quite clear as others have said. Though it could have been worded better, I'll grant you that.

As much of what I've mentioned above already, I was talking about the young idiots that throw themselves into political rallies and demonstrations regarding often times situations and worldly events that they simply have never had to deal with themselves. Real life struggles. It's all well and true that they believe strongly in issues and have their own beliefs and political stances, that's great, I'm not trying to deny them of those things. My point is that there are methods to go about voicing those beliefs, about debating those policies and issues that they disagree with.

They scream and shout, get in your face, throw their arms about and make problems for everyone, completely stopping the democratic process in motion. All the while telling themselves that they have a moral authority to do so. It's walking, talking irony at its finest. And these young people are supposed to be smart?

Obviously it's not just students that act this way, but the point behind the irony of their behaviour is much more apparent when it is. This latest nonsense proves it. Nobody has any right in trying to stop the political process of a party leaders work, they have no right to stop the lawful process of a politician who represents thousands of people who voted for them no matter how much you disagree with the policies of that party, it is unlawful and undemocratic to try and take away peoples free choices whether you consider your views to be of superior intellectual origin or not. They're nothing but self-satisfied, arrogant hypocrites that want attention. Thugs that stop the free and open process of democracy. That is it, as simple as that. If you can't debate policies with words, then act with your vote, just like every other person has to settle for. It's not a perfect way of governing, but it's the fairest and best we've got.

It was a protest, if he wants to move into Scotland he better get used to it and stop greetin' about it, like you.

Lawful political business meets lawful student protest. Life sucks doesn't it. Scotland is very sorry if it's taken the shine off of England's rising star.

It can topple its own leaders quite easily enough if they fail to stand and fight;

From Labour members none the less.

"I've walked the killing fields in cambodia"