MP's - Pay rise

Bear · 20 May 2013 at 12:20

dannyjo22 said:
So if teachers want to do a job with bad pay, why do they spend the rest of their lives whinging and striking about it?

This country sound be recruiting the best and brightest to run our country and the money they are paid will not do that. Regardless of public service no one wants to be earning 80k when they can easily earn much more with far less problems.

I guess that's why we get stuck with the governments we have. I personally don't think the money is high enough.

IMO the MPs currently salary is irrelevant, they expense everything so the cost of being an MP has got to be minimal. On top of that, being an MP is a meal ticket to greater earnings as people want them to be on company boards etc.

If you paid MPs a £1mil salary each, we would still get useless self serving liars and hypocrites , just they would all be rich useless self serving liars and hypocrites.

Mr-White · 20 May 2013 at 12:24

MPs salary is like their jobs, a joke.

MW

crisbduck · 20 May 2013 at 12:48

Can't see why there isn't a hotel/flats where they all get to stay in London instead of second homes =\

kwerk · 20 May 2013 at 12:55

dannyjo22 said:
Perhaps we need to pay more to attract better people from other areas, so we don't get the dross we have?

Last time I looked there was a massive surplus of know-it-all liberal arts grads.

Pay them £1/hour more than costa coffee would. There.

Yaayuh! · 20 May 2013 at 13:00

The politicians we want are the ones that got into politics to make a difference, not the ones in it for the money.

Mr-White · 20 May 2013 at 13:00

crisbduck said:
Can't see why there isn't a hotel/flats where they all get to stay in London instead of second homes =\

I don't think an MP would park their Bentley in a Travel Lodge some how lol

MW

ilcp · 20 May 2013 at 13:01

it should be about passion not the money.. Teachers and Nurses all get crap pay but they still do it. This shows they are not doing it for the money but for the greater good.

So I don't see why we have to pay MPs higher to get the best talent?

I think it is pants that they get so much money (are they taxed same as us?), + allowances and they still have the cheek to moan. Come off it, if i moved to another part of a country, the company wouldnt pay me extra money to keep my first house? I would be expected to re-locate. why should it be any different for MPs.

Most of them are just greedy, cashing in on as much as they can get.

wordy · 20 May 2013 at 13:01

"Some of YOU are all in this together" - George Osbourne.

MrMoonX · 20 May 2013 at 13:32

ilcp said:
it should be about passion not the money.. Teachers and Nurses all get crap pay but they still do it. This shows they are not doing it for the money but for the greater good.

So I don't see why we have to pay MPs higher to get the best talent?

I think it is pants that they get so much money (are they taxed same as us?), + allowances and they still have the cheek to moan. Come off it, if i moved to another part of a country, the company wouldnt pay me extra money to keep my first house? I would be expected to re-locate. why should it be any different for MPs.

Most of them are just greedy, cashing in on as much as they can get.

exactly I mean who the hell gets expenses to go to work, MPs should have to pay their own travel to westminster, they after all chose to work there

Monkeynut · 20 May 2013 at 13:35

Build a new parliament building in the middle of the country (somewhere classy like Chesh... anyway) build a hotel next to it with 650 rooms and that's the living expenses sorted right there. And maybe MY MP WOULD TURN UP MORE OFTEN AND DO SOME ACTUAL WORK. :mad:

Things change I've changed · 20 May 2013 at 14:30

CREATIVE!11 said:
They don't pay tax and they have expenses, so really they are earning a lot compared to someone who earns the same and has to pay tax and pay for their own stuff.

This an important point.

What do you think the average persons wages would have to be to enable them to be left with £66,000 a year after thier paying taxes and expenses?

Because whatever that figure is that is what they are currently earning imo.

Basher · 20 May 2013 at 15:19

MrMoonX said:
exactly I mean who the hell gets expenses to go to work, MPs should have to pay their own travel to westminster, they after all chose to work there

They are in a little bit of a unique scenario though, aren't they? In that they are payed to represent their constituency (and so need to live around there) but also need to be in Westminster...

DanielMMS · 20 May 2013 at 15:19

lowrider007 said:
This an important point.

What do you think the average persons wages would have to be to enable them to be left with £66,000 a year after thier paying taxes and expenses?

Because whatever that figure is that is what they are currently earning imo.

Err... From here.

Do MPs pay tax on their salary?

Yes. MPs pay the same rates of taxation and National Insurance as any other employed person.

Basher · 20 May 2013 at 15:20

lowrider007 said:
This an important point.

What do you think the average persons wages would have to be to enable them to be left with £66,000 a year after thier paying taxes and expenses?

Because whatever that figure is that is what they are currently earning imo.

MPs are taxed the same as the rest of us :confused:

Django x2 · 20 May 2013 at 15:36

It's an interesting topic, but sadly the anger is aimed at the wrong people. This isn't and hasn't been an MPs decision. Payrise decisions are out of their hands now and are managed by a 3rd, independent, party

MrMoonX · 20 May 2013 at 15:43

Django x2 said:
It's an interesting topic, but sadly the anger is aimed at the wrong people. This isn't and hasn't been an MPs decision. Payrise decisions are out of their hands now and are managed by a 3rd, independent, party

if you believe the parliamentary standards people are truly independent then you are deluded, they are far from it as they all rub shoulders in the bar at the end of the day

Django x2 · 20 May 2013 at 16:05

MrMoonX said:
if you believe the parliamentary standards people are truly independent then you are deluded, they are far from it as they all rub shoulders in the bar at the end of the day

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say, no, they pretty much don't......

Things change I've changed · 20 May 2013 at 16:40

Basher said:
MPs are taxed the same as the rest of us

Ah ok, not sure what CREATIVE!11 was on about then, I should have checked, kinda sounded believable given their position.

I guess their wages aren't as high as I thought then after tax given the responsibility they have, I know my local MP works very long hours, it's not just a straight 9 to 5 job.

sports_brah · 20 May 2013 at 16:51

I would say that there should be considerable renumeration, in an attempt to stave off potential influences via money.

However it should be a clear cut wage, with expenses regulated, as to ensure a minimum of ****taking.

I certainly don't agree with them being like teachers. No disrespect but most teachers are bloody useless. I would much rather have exceptionally clever and ambitious people working for the nation, than some wannabe helpers.

Russinating · 20 May 2013 at 17:37

Stretch said:
Because it's nearly impossible to get elected without a party machine behind you. The tiny number of independents we've had are almost exclusively ex-party politicians standing on a protest ticket.

The idea that anyone can stand for election and have even a remote chance of winning is fantasy.

I wasn't asking, I was making a point. He said he doesn't have an allegiance and therefore wouldn't know who to run for. The fact that it's difficult to get elected as an independent is a voting issue and the fact that 90% of voters don't really know what they're voting for (me included).

And for the record I voted for an independent during our local council elections a few weeks ago as well as for our Mayoral election last year.

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