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Nvidia pricing is a joke?

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Gregster said:
He isn't suggesting that at all. He said "If people have an issue with the cost", it is completely different to how you have read it.
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I think he really is. He's basically saying, if you don't like the cost, buy something "low end" that's cheaper.

Which is a strong implication that it's about being able to afford it, otherwise the suggestion wouldn't have been "buy something cheaper".
 
spoffle said:
It's a logical fallacy to suggest that anyone who isn't happy with the price can't afford it.

I spent around £500~ on my graphics set up, and to me an extra £50 isn't that much when you're already spending £500, however I would not be happy spending £550 for the performance a GTX780 offers because it's poor value for money.

Typically with each generation, we would get more performance per pound spent, in this case, nVidia's just upping the price of cards with more performance. So prices is increasing AND performance per pound is decreasing too.

This is why people who bought Titans got a bit of stick over their prices as well because that was pretty much the argument that was instantly wheeled out
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Poor wording from my part :(
If you're not happy with the pricing* would have been better.

As for PPP there are much worse contenders, on the same line there are much better. It's down to the individual whether it's worth the price or not.
The 7970 was $550 and 680 was $500. 30% more performance for $100/150 more is about right to be fair.
 
The price of the 780 does not seem to bad if you compare it with the release price of the 7970 of £500 but lets be fair both were and are overpriced, i say dont buy untill the price drops, simples
 
spoffle said:
Again, to suggest that people who have an issue with the price, can't afford it, is a logical fallacy and even somewhat offensive.
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I never said people cannot afford it, if people are not willing to pay a premium, well that's fine. I'm willing to pay a premium for what I want, if I could not afford the card, I would pay for something that is more affordable.

If people are happy enough with the performance of the GTX670, or 7950, then I don't see what the problem is, they are still good cards and with games knocked off can get crossfire for around £340 when a one day deal is on.
PorkPieCat said:
eh, you think a 7950 is low end because nvidia have brought out a 780 and artificially inflated it to 2.5x the price of a 7950. you have to wonder where your reasoning comes from, if not yourself. 7950 OC vs 780 OC is what, 20%? that's not what separates low and high end.
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Their you go, nail on the head - I totally agree with what you say, it's just a lower end card, still great performance, people can buy them and be totally happy - I really don't see why it's neccesary for people to moan, when current tech is already fine for nearly everyones needs.

The issue I was moaning about was people in the USA only having to pay $10 more for a top end custom card, where in the UK we pay an extra £80, now that doesn't make sense.

In the USA I think their is a law against anti-competitiveness, price gouging, here in the UK all companies get away with it, well seem to.
 
esoteric said:
It's obviously the Titan causing these price spikes, nvidia aren't ready to replace the Titan so soon as high end after it's success.

If the 780 was released at £400 like the 680 then it would completely invalidate the Titan given how close they are in bench. At £400 you can SLI 2 780's and completely smash the Titan in performance/price.

So we just have to ride the wave Titan has created until Maxwell.
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At £550 it invalidates the Titan, just not as much as £400 would.

Additionally, You can get better value for money than a Titan, and get in excess of Titan performance for less than £500 anyway.

nVidia clearly doesn't actually care about value for money. These cards and prices are mainly for the people who don't acknowledge that anyone other than nVidia makes graphics cards.
 
Prices are too high based on performance vs cost.

But it is up the individual to decide whether to spend or not, that doesn't make the individual wrong for buying or not buying, but it also does not mean that the prices are fine because the decision to buy lies with the individual.

Personally, I save up and buy things I want, I don't get gouged with prices for anything, I will sit and wait and get what I want at the price I think it is worth. I recently went 4 months without a TV - no problem, I watched through my monitor and read more books. I didn't stupidly go out and get a loan, or get a TV on credit.

In the end I got a much better TV that I first anticipated, and a nice 3D BR player thrown in for nothing. They're mine, and I owe no-one a penny for them. Because I was patient.

Shopping is a life skill, now more than ever, and patience pays off when buying expensive items I find.

I still think these cards are over-priced, but still it's up to you at the end of the day.
 
Gregster said:
He isn't suggesting that at all. He said "If people have an issue with the cost", it is completely different to how you have read it.
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it's true he didn't say it but it's something worth pointing out. people are suggesting or implying (not necessarily here) that there is an issue of "affordability" that is separating the buyer of a titan and the buyer of something less expensive. like i said i could have bought a titan, but social influence from various sources that has led titan buyers to personally find them good value for money has not similarly influenced me. to be fair i think the titan at least has the defence of being the most powerful card around. the 780 on the other hand doesn't even have that kind of prestige... the price is a real nonsense.
 
Nelly said:
This is the thing, last two weekends I've blown over £200 partying, now that's what I call wasting money, same for anyone who smokes, killing themselves off - long term, I hadn't drank from June last year to February this year, saved megaloads up, so to buy something that will give you enjoyment through the year, I don't think anything is a waste of money.

If people have an issue with cost, play 1080p and buy a low end card like a 7950, or 660ti, let the people who have got money pay for what they want.
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Neither are close to low-end.
 
My 7950 isn't low end :'(. However, as PorkPie has said, I have the means to purchase a 780, but I couldn't justify it. Feel that this is very overpriced.
 
Nelly said:
I never said people cannot afford it, if people are not willing to pay a premium, well that's fine. I'm willing to pay a premium for what I want, if I could not afford the card, I would pay for something that is more affordable.
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Firstly, define "paying a premium" as it's an incredibly vague statement that gets overused around here.

Secondly, you say that you're not claiming it's about being able to afford it, then once again say "If I couldn't afford it, I'd buy something more affordable".

So you really are suggesting that it's about being able to afford it.

Make your mind up.

People have an issue with the price of the GTX780, not the notion of paying £550 for a graphics set up. So again, it's about the 780, not the amount of money.

If people are happy enough with the performance of the GTX670, or 7950, then I don't see what the problem is, they are still good cards and with games knocked off can get crossfire for around £340 when a one day deal is on.
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Honestly, I have no idea how you can say it's not about price, whilst suggesting cheaper alternatives for anyone who has an issue with the GTX780's price.

Again, it's the GTX780's price, not £550 that's the issue. It does not warrant its price for the performance it gives.

For example 2x 7950s would stop it for around £100 less, with a load of games.

If the 780's performance was massive, there'd be a lot less complaining about the price.

There you go, nail on the head - I totally agree with what you say, it's just a lower end card, still great performance, people can buy them and be totally happy - I really don't see why it's neccesary for people to moan, when current tech is already fine for nearly everyones needs.
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Again, they're not "lower end", and in fact as above, a pair would offer much greater performance.

Also, the reason it's necessary for people to moan is because this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to hear people saying things you don't want to hear, maybe a discussion forum isn't for you.

The issue I was moaning about was people in the USA only having to pay $10 more for a top end custom card, where in the UK we pay an extra £80, now that doesn't make sense.
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It makes sense, it's price gouging. That's the reason for it.

In the USA I think their is a law against anti-competitiveness, price gouging, here in the UK all companies get away with it, well seem to.
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I strongly doubt there's a law against price gouging in the USA. Because that would essentially be a law on how much profit a company can make on a product.

The reason it won't happen as much in the USA is because there are far more shops selling that sort of stuff, with like 6x times the amount of people who might buy.

It'll be competition that stops that from happening.
 
They will sell to the initial wave of hardcore enthusiasts, but after the initial flurry of sales the 780 is not going to be shifting many more units at current pricing.

I feel a price drop is inevitable here.
 
Nelly said:
I've changed the wording now, life is great again, don't worry. :)
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You're still implying it's about affordability though, whilst claiming you're not.

" If people have an issue with cost, play 1080p and buy a card like a 7950, or 660ti, let the people who have got money pay for what they want."

If it's not about affordability, why say "let people who have got money pay for what they want"?

That's pretty much saying "only people who don't have money won't get a GTX780".
 
Gregster said:
Having seen the Titan pricing and then the release of the 780 being $150 dollars higher than the 680 launch and a $100 higher than the 7970 launch, do you feel the price is a joke.

I can see the attraction in both cards (Titan + 780) but a lot of feedback indicates the prices are too high.

Is this the shape of things to come? Or will they just not sell at this price and have to drop a few dollars before the majority start buying? What is a fair price for the 780? Will AMD sell the 9970 for similar or will they sell for much lower.
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The 7970 was the fastest single core GPU on launch, it cost £420

The GTX Titan was and remains the fastest single core GPU, on launch it cast £999 (£579 more than the 7970) and still costs £800.
The GTX 780, not even the fastest GPU and costs £550, £130 more than the 7970 cost when it was the fastest GPU, whats more the GTX 780 costs £250 more than the 7970 does today while only being 20 - 25% faster.

Nvidia's prices are absolutely ridicules, their prices are insulting. Nvidia are rip-off merchants and if I was an Nvidia customer I would be absolutely livid.
 
Anyone who claims those who have a problem with Titan or GTX780 pricing "must be broke" are delusional. I know a person who earns enough money to have £2000 per month disposable income and when he asked me to recommend a gaming GPU he laughed at Titan prices and bought a 7950 instead. I could afford a Titan with my monthly disposable income but simply think it would be foolish. If someone else thinks it is worth the price good for them, just don't try to tell us it is good value compared to a GTX680 or HD 7970.

The complaints about price are all about value, not an overblown sense of entitlement. GTX780 is ~20% (~15% according to some reviews) faster on average than HD 7970 @1050MHz and currently ~90% more expensive.

£300 vs £550, if you shop around for the cheapest while sticking to reputable etailers.

Ironically most of the people who are saying, "if you want the best you have to pay for it" complained about HD 7970 pricing even though it was cheaper and ~25% faster than the GTX580 3GB. If AMD bring out a 20nm GPU that is faster than Titan these very same people will be in uproar if AMD price it accordingly.
 
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titan though has pretty good compute performance - that was ripped out of the gtx 780


price were due to go up , 6 months ago the alarm bells where sounding over price increases , dram has gone up 50% in price , wafers have gone up 10>15% in price. it all adds up - and can see AMD VI being £100 more than when SI was launched.
 
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