NSA has "back door" into Google, Apple, Facebook and others

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MrMoonX said:
The government has no right to "rummage" through anything of mine as an innocent citizen! The detrimental effect is the invasion of privacy and beach of human rights! :rolleyes: but hey that's fine by you :idiot:
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Maybe not, but they probably do. And if you are an "innocent citizen" (despite that thing you like to do to your dog) it doesn't impact anything, it doesn't change anything. The only thing that happens is you get a bit uppity that they might be doing it.

Yea it's fine by me because - a) they're not going to be interested in innocent citizens and b) it wouldn't affect me in any way whatsoever if they did.

So no, I'm not an idiot. I just have perspective.
 
WillyNelson said:
[You mean like they do now, when they patrol the streets full of law abiding citizens looking for illegal activity. Wiring a bomb was simply an example, I could have said a murder or growing drugs. whatever the activity discovered, the point is still the same.
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Last time I checked I didn't live in the street. Your example was police looking into houses through windows in an attempt to stop a bomb maker, not them doing their job and preventing crime by patrolling public areas.


QUOTE]No, the almost certain threat of another terrorist attack. The potential threat to me is small, the threat to the popuous as a whole is large. Or to put it another way; the NSA/MI5/GCHQ/whoever can access whatever they like of mine if it prevents any other person from dying in a terrorist attack.[/QUOTE]

I'd rather face the minuscule risk of death (and have other people at the same tiny risk) than face the continual erosion of freedoms under the (now obviously false) guise of "preventing terrorism"

Selling your freedom because of a few terrorist attacks. Bravo. :rolleyes:
 
WillyNelson said:
Maybe not, but they probably do.
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Actually they probably don't. GCHQ hasn't got the computer or man power to do so. Even the NSA doesn't (yet) have enough processing power to do that.

It's what they want though. A surveillance agencies wet dream. Looking through everybody's phone and data records, live and in real time.

For our protection, of course
 
LordSplodge said:
Last time I checked I didn't live in the street. Your example was police looking into houses through windows in an attempt to stop a bomb maker, not them doing their job and preventing crime by patrolling public areas.
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Heaven forbid a crime should befall you in your own home then.
See, I can be obtuse too.

I'd rather face the minuscule risk of death (and have other people at the same tiny risk) than face the continual erosion of freedoms under the (now obviously false) guise of "preventing terrorism"

Selling your freedom because of a few terrorist attacks. Bravo. :rolleyes:
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How very selfish of you and your "You can all die before I reveal my Skype contact list" attitude.

What actual freedoms of yours have been erroded in say the last 12 years? What actual tangiable restrictions are placed on your life that prevent you from undertaking perfectly reasonable actions? Selling my freedom :rolleyes: Stop being such a drama queen.

LordSplodge said:
Actually they probably don't. GCHQ hasn't got the computer or man power to do so. Even the NSA doesn't (yet) have enough processing power to do that.

It's what they want though. A surveillance agencies wet dream. Looking through everybody's phone and data records, live and in real time.

For our protection, of course
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Exactly. They'd never be able to process realtime full coverage surveillance, it would be impossible. Why wase their time watching you when there's real criminals to deal with.

You're getting worked up about a perceived potential slight against your civil liberties.
 
Many hours on and nobody has attempted to discuss the angle this thread was created to discuss. We have gone deeply into a debate about our personal data but the topic was what about the fact the US Government have hacked private corporations?

What do you think Microsoft and Google are going to do about this huge breach of their security?
 
I wonder how much time they waste investigating computer game geeks with all their discussions about blowing stuff up, killing, weaponry and the like?
 
mmj_uk said:
They must be rubbing their hands at the thought of Xbox One with it's always online camera/microphone in every living room.
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Yep, they already do this with Google Android. I've been victim to it.

They hook their eavesdropping via Google Backup service on Android. I noticed this when my WiFi light on my router was flashing with everything off in the house except my phone.

Turned out my phone "backed up" 1.5GB worth of data in the space of 72 hours when there was actually only 0.1GB of data on my phone.

It's a scary thought. Thankfully I'm no criminal, but boy was it worrying. I had to permanently delete the google backup service from my phone's ROM.
 
All seems like i expected anyway.

The NSA is more of a data repository than a "security" agency, as technically the FBI does that job.

Though the US has more intelligence agencies than we do ministries for anything so, its hard to really place them nowadays.

While the private organisations can deny anything they like, i imagine that they are likely getting something out of this for the PR issue that has just occurred, tax assurances/data sharing/data conglomeration/data research, which is more the NSA's ground but maybe the results would be handed swiftly to the companies in question.
 
Google don't eavesdrop with GBackup. It is used to backup apps, wifi passwords, settings and other data so that, should u need to reset the phone, it is all restored for you automatically.

Best wrap your phone in tin-foil chap :p


As for the WiFi passwords bit - just change your router to only allow specific MAC addresses and you're fine.
 
WillyNelson said:
You're getting worked up about a perceived potential slight against your civil liberties.
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It's not perceived, that's what it is. Where do you draw the line? This is obviously hypothetical but if the government could install CCTV in people's homes, you wouldn't have a problem with that? I would consider it a gross invasion of my privacy but if you've got nothing to hide, there's no problem?

I don't understand what's wrong with the current system whereby the authorities can gain the information they need through the proper channels anyway, as long as it's justified.
 
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Richie said:
Google don't eavesdrop with GBackup. It is used to backup apps, wifi passwords, settings and other data so that, should u need to reset the phone, it is all restored for you automatically.

Best wrap your phone in tin-foil chap :p


As for the WiFi passwords bit - just change your router to only allow specific MAC addresses and you're fine.
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Did you miss the bit where I said I only had 0.1GB of data on my phone, yet they mined 1.5GB in 72 hours?

Of course it's used to backup apps, settings etc. I never said it isnt. I said they use it as a hook.
 
Security industry and big software companies have been working together since for decades. If a software company refuses like skype did, they put out a bounty of tax payer money of $million to anyone who can crack it in real time. Don't know if that was ever for-filled but it didn't matter in the end microsoft bought skype and filled it with back doors and monitoring solutions for pay to view spy technology. Same with mobile phones, they have software that has loads of features, they tap the number in and they can hear audio from the mic whilst its not in use and view the cam, track it in real time with gps and print reports. Then cross reference those reports with all your contacts and all the other data that they have about you. Not only do they know everything about you but they know everything about everyone you know.
 
Whilst you're all furiously masterbating about how much you don't care, there is someone out there that'd like to have your wang chopped off because they disapprove of your lifestyle. Such crazies seem to have habit of getting into power, so the question is how much power do you want to hand them when the time comes?

Of course, this would never happen in Britian, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_indecency
 
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