Delidded my 4670K What Thermal Compound

driver182 · 14 Jun 2013 at 17:37

Tool late now

I used to be an electronic engineer and although it contains nasty stuff once its dried its hard the thinners evaporate as long as you let it dry. By the time it could cause a problem we will probably be overclocking 4950K's

driver182 · 15 Jun 2013 at 23:54

After 48hrs temps have dropped now a max of 60C on all cores at 4.4ghz stock volts in prime 64 or aida. Very happy as that's nearly 30C drop in temps. Will try higher frequencies soon

lettuce · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:13

Good Job!!!

Im getting a tad stressed with my OC atm. I stressed my 4.7Ghz OC with 30 mins on OCCT in LinPack mode, with 90% memory usage and AVX LinPack Capable enabled, then ran AIDA64 for 3hrs 40mins and it all passed fine!!!. Now after 4 minutes of encoding with RipBot the system crashes!!, the BSOD code is 0x124 according to WhoCrashed program

I guess ive found my stress test program to use now, seems on Haswell the majority of stress test programs dont seem to work

wazza300 · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:14

124 is not enough cpu voltage,can be imc voltage aswell but cpu vcore would be my first adjustment

just use pc normally,gaming,encoding ect and adjust voltages that way

101 error is also not enough cpu v

lettuce · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:18

Yeah, just odd that both OCCT and AIDA64 didnt throw up any blue screens though. Begs the question is it worth people even using them!?

Strange thing is whilst RipBot was causing max clock speeds it was only putting on about 60% load on to the CPU so no where near 100% load and it still crashed the system!

wazza300 · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:21

they are ok for a rough guide to get you relatively stable,then its down to day to day use to iron out any instability

I find gaming to be a good test,it will usually crash to desktop within a few minutes of cpu vcore isn't enough

everything is inside the cpu nowadays pcie bus imc ect so it only takes one of those to be weak and it falls down,so to cure it you have to raise cpu v a touch more

lettuce · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:27

Would an idea be to, load my 4.7 OC profile in the BIOS and change vcore to 'Auto' load into windows load up CPU-Z then run Ripbot again and see what volts CPU-Z is running to get an idea how much more vcore i need??

wazza300 · 16 Jun 2013 at 00:30

trouble is auto will always use way too much

best to add one/two clicks more dvid and restest and so on

that's how I do it,and to type event viewer in windows search and look for any whea error/warnings esp cpu event 19 parity error warnings=needs more cpu v

it will also say memory warnings/errors and adjust dram or cpu/vtt or ring voltage to suit

till you see 0 errors/warnings after gaming or stressing or both

se_vietboi · 16 Jun 2013 at 21:22

My 3770k is arriving soon but after reading that delidding is the only way to get optimal temps under OC on air, I think I'll just return it...

lettuce · 16 Jun 2013 at 22:13

wazza300 said:
124 is not enough cpu voltage,can be imc voltage aswell but cpu vcore would be my first adjustment

just use pc normally,gaming,encoding ect and adjust voltages that way

101 error is also not enough cpu v

Hmmm im not sure it is vcore related, ive gone from +0.150v CPU Offset to +0.170 and it still BSOD when encoding video. Strange thing is is seems to last longer at +0.150 than it does at +0.170. So in CPU-Z my voltage was 1.258 and now its up to 1.295v. Any other suggestions?

wazza300 · 17 Jun 2013 at 01:32

tried with a touch more cpu bus ring voltage? I think that's haswells imc voltage

how hot were you getting in aida stress test? just tried quick 10 minutes on my ivy and hit 71c

se_vietboi said:
My 3770k is arriving soon but after reading that delidding is the only way to get optimal temps under OC on air, I think I'll just return it...

keep it and try it,you should do an easy 4.5ghz without delidding,clock for clock ivy is faster than sandy

se_vietboi · 17 Jun 2013 at 02:07

^ not sure if gaining a bit of extra performance for a large gain in heat is worth it in my tiny and poorly ventilated room.

Zeed · 17 Jun 2013 at 08:59

se_vietboi room size got nothing to do with temps of those cpus!

They are not producing more heat than sandy. Problem is that you cant get it out of cpu core into cooler no mater if its air cooler or water block cause of that **** they put inside the cpu.

When i had ivy on my wc that keeps my sandy below 75c on ibt i was getting 80+ on ivy at some ****e oc like 4.4 ......

se_vietboi · 17 Jun 2013 at 09:38

Lord_ZED said:
se_vietboi room size got nothing to do with temps of those cpus!

They are not producing more heat than sandy. Problem is that you cant get it out of cpu core into cooler no mater if its air cooler or water block cause of that **** they put inside the cpu.

When i had ivy on my wc that keeps my sandy below 75c on ibt i was getting 80+ on ivy at some ****e oc like 4.4 ......

Oh I thought room would have an impact. Because its small and has no ventilation I thought the air circulated to and from the computer is very limited so indirectly affecting the CPU. Or is that wrong?

I think I worded incorrectly. Not more heat but hotter because of the thermal paste they use as opposed to Sandybridge which uses solder.

wazza300 · 17 Jun 2013 at 09:53

I have a small room,it depends on the CPU,i could run 4.6ghz with 81-82c with no delidding

se_vietboi · 17 Jun 2013 at 10:11

Hm ok. I think it should be fine as long as it doesn't get any hotter than 90-95c. Goodbye long lifespan

arad85 · 17 Jun 2013 at 11:50

se_vietboi said:
Oh I thought room would have an impact.

Ambient does have an impact on temps. What the heatsink does is give you a delta between junction and ambient. Say you are running flat out and your die tems are 70 deg C in a room at 20 deg C. The heatsink is "dropping" the 50 deg C (70 - 20) to ambient.

If ambient goes up 10 deg C, core temps will go up 10 deg C since the heatsink is only capable of dropping 50 deg C....

lettuce · 17 Jun 2013 at 11:52

wazza300 said:
tried with a touch more cpu bus ring voltage? I think that's haswells imc voltage

how hot were you getting in aida stress test? just tried quick 10 minutes on my ivy and hit 71c

No I haven't touch bus ring voltage, I believe it's set to auto though, in which case it should give it as much as it needs shouldn't it?

Regarding the temps the max recorded on any of the cores was around 70 but was around the 55-65 most of the time

Zeed · 17 Jun 2013 at 11:58

arad85 TRUE but with those ivys and haswells. If you got High end air cooler in room 20c you get 80c on cores and with high end watercooling u get 79c ........ And with cheap 30f air cooler you get 81c.
If your CPU got ****** applied thermal compound inside you are screwed. Or delid and lose warranty or deal with 80c on cores

wazza300 · 17 Jun 2013 at 12:32

lettuce said:
No I haven't touch bus ring voltage, I believe it's set to auto though, in which case it should give it as much as it needs shouldn't it?

Regarding the temps the max recorded on any of the cores was around 70 but was around the 55-65 most of the time

idk,haswell seems to be different in overclocking and different again on gigabyte boards,sin is about to release an overclocking guide for haswell/gigabyte over on tweaktown forums so ill post a link up when its posted

it might help you understand what all the voltages do ect