Feminist Article

[Madamoiselle]

Traditional feminism is a double edged sword that has the ability to cut deep in both directions, and as such is fast becoming very old fashioned and dogmatic. It's to the point now where the women clinging to the 2nd wave just make themselves into a parody of what feminism should be about.

Radfems can go rot in hell for all I care. They are in my opinion one of the most bigoted and least forward thinking groups of society. Their insistence on using vile diatribe and hateful language in the name of a movement that in theory is grounded on solid foundations is one of the few things that can make me angry these days.

While ever feminism is being given such a poor image by these people, I refuse to call myself a feminist. I'm an intersectionalist, and that's how it will stay.

 

[Madamoiselle]

I practice equality every time I see a lady in stupidly high heels look at me longingly for my tube seat, only for me to ignore them. Your stupid choice my dear, not an excuse to steal my seat. (unless you are super fit).

Aaaaaand it's gone.

You do right, and I'd do exactly the same. I tend to wear heels a lot, but mine fit me properly and I know how to walk in them. The women who just throw a pair of heels on in the morning and have no idea how to wear and move in them properly them complain at the end of the day because they're in pain get no sympathy from me.

 

[elmarko]

I think its high time the word feminist was dropped, and a gender neutral word was used instead.

Otherwise we are going to see an increased amount of extreme feminists who are ignorant of, or choose to ignore the other inequalities in society, in favour of twisting the perception of equality to their own agendas.

I also think that the writer of the article has a good chance of a career in journalism.

Indeed, this is why I identify as an egalitarian.

"all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights".

Gender discrimination in the west is a much smaller issue than economic discrimination anyway (via reduced opportunities), it's much better to be a rich women than a poor man.

While I agree an unbalance exists still, the difference between rich & poor is significantly larger than that of women & men - as does the way society treats ugly people, fat people or short men (for example).

 

[Tunney]

This forum is 99% male so it's probably no surprise that most people don't think that feminism is needed.

We, as males, don't have any serious experience of what it's like to be discriminated against because of your gender. Check out the Everyday Sexism Twitter account - it's a horror show.

Or just look at the stories from this year's E3. Or any of the other many, many accounts of horrible behaviour towards women on the Internet.

Gender equality is still a major problem and feminism is still relevant in today's society.

 

[isonomicjedi]

Of course women shouldn't worry their pretty heads about any of this stuff.

I don't know where they would find time to argue their point, in between looking after the kids, cleaning and cooking.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

Gender equality is still a major problem and feminism is still relevant in today's society.

Yup, we can't empathise. Even if we try to sympathise with the opposite sex, we still don't have enough experience of it to understand why feminism exists. I think a lot of people here are under the assumption that sexism is less prevalent than feminists lead us to believe, simply because our demographic doesn't expose us to it. We're all relatively clever (and handsome) forumites, who don't tend to hang around with people or in places where sexism is prevalent, which helps re-enforce the idea that feminists are blowing everything way out of proportion, just for a fight. But actually, they're fighting for a valid cause with as much fever as you'd expect for something so important.

 

[Madamoiselle]

Can I just confirm, I'm in the right place here yeah?

GD, Ocuk Towers, WhiteStraightCisMalePrivilegeshire?

Just seems there's a bit too much common sense in this thread.

 

[Vulcan]

This forum is 99% male so it's probably no surprise that most people don't think that feminism is needed.

We, as males, don't have any serious experience of what it's like to be discriminated against because of your gender. Check out the Everyday Sexism Twitter account - it's a horror show.

Or just look at the stories from this year's E3. Or any of the other many, many accounts of horrible behaviour towards women on the Internet.

Gender equality is still a major problem and feminism is still relevant in today's society.

Okay, so taking a few of those examples listed...

"Attended meeting with extensive bruising on my arms. Senior male: "Who has been beating you up?" followed by laughter."​

"walking down a busy street and a man stopped me and asked for a hug. I didn't say anything, & he grabbed me and hugged tight"​

"Walking to my car, man started following, asked for my name. I ignored him & he got angry, called me a 'stupid brown bitch'"​

Are these issues really exclusive to women?

 

[Xordium]

For those in the cheap seats (me), could you expand on this term?

I would but apparently I am not up to that level of debate. Such a stupid person as myself would hazard a guess that when you examine the problems facing oppressed groups you can't use a strictly reductionist framework as you will lose sight of the varying intersecting issues that may exhibit the classic problems of non-linear relationships.

 

[Janesy B]

I read the first paragraph of that article and it seems that isn't a male problem, but just a problem with idiots that don't know how to behave. That is prevalent with both sexes, some women act like utter animals too.

 

[Madamoiselle]

Xordium, just out of interest could you point me to the post which you feel claimed that you as an individual is a stupid person and not up to that level of debate?

 

[Xordium]

Xordium, just out of interest could you point me to the post which you feel claimed that you as an individual is a stupid person and not up to that level of debate?

Well considering I was in the debate until the following it would include me I guess. Not that I care of course - I'm a happy fool.

I think intersectionality is a little advanced for the level of debate on here

 

[fez]

I read the first paragraph of that article and it seems that isn't a male problem, but just a problem with idiots that don't know how to behave. That is prevalent with both sexes, some women act like utter animals too.

This is exactly how I feel on these matters. People who are insecure or too self important think that the world revolves around them and that when someone behaves like a pillock towards them, they are doing it because you are a woman or small or a certain colour or race.

Turns out that there are millions of **** heads in the world and they don't care about gender, age, religion or colour. They may pick up on it but thats because they know it will have the desired effect and has the bonus of appearing personal.

The girl in the article thinks the men threw coffee and insults at her because they hate women. They did it because she confronted them and its rather hard to make a cogent argument for whistling and being a gimp to someone you don't know. If they were giving some young lads abuse and one came over to talk to them they would probably have been battered instead. Does that mean that those men hate men?

People looking for a sexist / ageist / racist slant on things are very good at ignoring human nature in favour of identifying their desired "ism". The old saying is true "you can only insult a white british male" without being claimed to be sexist or racist.

 

[No1newts]

The whole topic makes my blood boil.

We go about equality in entirely the wrong way, we negatively discriminate to promote equality which is quite frankly ridiculous and wrong. Everyone should be treated equally regardless of any distinguishing features and left to make their own way in the world as the best of their ability can carry them.

Thats a general point, specifically feminism I find the whole cause laughable as they want the benefits that being a woman can entail but then not suffer any negatives their sex may entail. You should have one or the other and not both. I'm sincerely hoping and waiting for the day when a company gets sued to **** for discriminating against a working age white man, because with all the negative discrimination passed down upon them and the way the system is going that is soon going to happen.

 

[Xordium]

Everyone should be treated equally regardless of any distinguishing features and left to make their own way in the world as the best of their ability can carry them.

So how would you answer this then that I posted on the last page:

Treating people the same in not equality. Let me give you an example of why it may be advantageous.

You hold interviews for the post of Professor of Physics at Cambridge a few years back. You hold the interviews on the 2nd floor. There is no lift only stairs. Everyone has to use the stairs. Do you get the best candidate to attend? Or would you have to treat that person differently to give them an equal chance of attending the interview and actually getting the person you want.

Your statement there would preclude unnecessarily the most famous physicist .

 

[No1newts]

So how would you answer this then that I posted on the last page:



Your statement there would preclude unnecessarily the most famous physicist .

To be frank that is a stupid example.

There is a vast difference between making things ease of access and treating people equally.

 

[Xordium]

To be frank that is a stupid example.

There is a vast difference between making things ease of access and treating people equally.

It would only be a stupid example if it didn't highlight the stupidity of your position. However, it did highlight the stupidity of your position because you are now saying you wouldn't treat people equally in the case of access (one of the main points regarding equality for disabled people and written into law). So what other exceptions do you make to your now defunct blanket rule?

 

[grimm]

The problem with feminism is that it is rarely about equality and more often about women trying to get the upper hand by playing the victim and ramming it down everyone's throats. The only thing that most "feminists" actually achieve is becoming loudmouthed and obnoxious people.

I am not denying that some men treat women badly, in a number of different ways. There are also large numbers of women that treat men badly, in a number of different ways. I think there are better ways of dealing with this and trying to overcome it than the way a typical feminist approaches it. It is a very complex matter though and as our society, evolves the goalposts are constantly being moved around as to what is acceptable behaviour and what is not.

 

[Abraxaz1]

This forum is 99% male so it's probably no surprise that most people don't think that feminism is needed.

We, as males, don't have any serious experience of what it's like to be discriminated against because of your gender. Check out the Everyday Sexism Twitter account - it's a horror show.

Or just look at the stories from this year's E3. Or any of the other many, many accounts of horrible behaviour towards women on the Internet.

Gender equality is still a major problem and feminism is still relevant in today's society.

so I can retire 5 years earlier? yippie
So I can get take 12 months off work if my misses gets pregnant?
So I don't get screwed over for promotion or awards, because it looks better in the local and work based newspaper for someone of the female sex to be seen 'Achieving'?
So I don't have to Carry 50+ kg of equipment or manhandle heavy loads and just take it because I am a man, whilst a female member of staff can sit on her arse and not carry a thing yet still get paid the same.
I can apply for a position as a nurse/ teacher without been scorned at by those offering the job.

Yes women have it so bad these days, with there extended maternity leave, lower retirement age and abundance of specialised doctors.

btw I'm not anti women, just feed up of them complaining about how hard they so called have it. Everyone has issues and barriers to compete against, to blame it on you're sex.

 

[yer_averagejoe]

The problem with feminism is that it is rarely about equality and more often about women trying to get the upper hand by playing the victim and ramming it down everyone's throats. The only thing that most "feminists" actually achieve is becoming loudmouthed and obnoxious people.

Like with any group of fanatics, it's the loud-mouthed ones you hear from the most and who have painted this unfortunate image for you.