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AMD HD9970 (Hawaii XT) Rumours

Optimis0r

Optimis0r

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Only rumours at this point but Videocardz are usually there or there abouts.

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According to ChinaDIY, AMD could be preparing its Radeon HD 9000 series for October, which is the launch month for Battlefield 4, a Gaming Evolved title. My information is more optimistic. Unless the roadmap has changed, AMD could show off the new series in September. Some sources even claim it could be the first week of September. Regardless of what month is it going to be, we are two or three months until the new series arrive. Most likely AMD will start with HD 9970, which if the rumors are true will be faster than GeForce GTX 780, but slower than GTX TITAN. However the big question is not the performance, but the price. If the card would cost $550, then we have a clear winner.

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If it is going to be faster then the GTX780 then AMD is back into the 'big die' strategy if its to be fabbed at 28nm.

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$550...so the chance are it would be £500 inc. VAT here in UK then?

While it is cheaper than the GTX780, it still a bit much for a single GPU card.

£420-£460 would be about right.
 
straxusii said:
An earlier rumour said this card would involve a fab process shrink also, if that was the case I would expect it to beat the Titan.
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Well with Nvidia showing up with the high performance cards refresh already... AMD at least know what they are be up against. The new cards should at least be faster than a GTX 780. I'd be surprised if it wasnt.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
$550...so the chance are it would be £500 inc. VAT here in UK then?

While it is cheaper than the GTX780, it still a bit much for a single GPU card.

£420-£460 would be about right.
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if it is going to go up against the GTX 780 on price and performance then we could look at around £450 - £500 I reckon.
 
Optimis0r said:
If it is going to be faster than the GTX780 than AMD is back into the 'big die' strategy if its to be fabbed at 28nm.
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If the recent articles about TSMC are to believed it will either have to be 28nm or produced at GlobalFoundries, supposedly most of the production capacity for 20nm at TSMC between now and approx. the end of the year will be tied up by ARM with rumours of a small amount for Apple and then nVidia and Qualcomm have dibs on production volume after that.
 
Rroff said:
If the recent articles about TSMC are to believed it will either have to be 28nm or produced at GlobalFoundries, supposedly most of the production capacity for 20nm at TSMC between now and approx. the end of the year will be tied up by ARM with rumours of a small amount for Apple and then nVidia and Qualcomm have dibs on production volume after that.
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Yes I agree with you. Fudzilla are basically saying TSMC and Apple have or will be doing a deal to fab chips.

I think it will be have to be 28nm and I think they will still be done at TSMC.
 
Faster than a 780 but slower than a Titan is quite a narrow margin (game dependant obviously).

My guess would be GTX780 performance for HD7970 launch prices (£420-450).
 
Optimis0r said:
if it is going to go up against the GTX 780 on price and performance then we could look at around £450 - £500 I reckon.
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Yea but the GTX780 is still overpriced. Regardless of what Nvidia want people to believe, it is still supposed to be new gen replacement for GTX680, which was launched at £400-£420. £50 higher than GTX680 launch can probably still be swallowed, but £100-£150 higher is ridiculous...all this because of Nvidia wanting to convince people great value comparing to Titan's (crazy) price and performance, while not thanking anyone pointing out it ain't THAT hugely faster than the GTX680 and 7970 to warrant such a high price premium.

25-40% performance increase is not an unreasonable expectation for moving gen, but expecting people to pay 60% higher in price for that kinda of (relatively small) increase after 12-18 months later is hardly is reasonable. True that it ain't the first time we see £550-£600 price range cards, but cards back in that price bracket was doubling the speed of the fastest card of the gen before it.
 
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Optimis0r said:
Yes I agree with you. Fudzilla are basically saying TSMC and Apple have or will be doing a deal to fab chips.

I think it will be have to be 28nm and I think they will still be done at TSMC.
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Information on GlobalFoundries is a bit thin on the ground but sounds like 20nm AMD from them will be mostly APU type stuff and not out until the end of the year/early next year either. Also you can't (I think this is true for both TSMC and GF) directly shrink from 28nm to 20nm due to changes in the lithography so I can't see them reworking a design when efforts would be better put on a proper next generation design.

I'm not convinced AMD can pull off a 2560 SP type core on 28nm without it being very expensive and very hot which hasn't been the way AMD do stuff in a long time. So suggestions that its likely its a ~2304 core around GTX780 performance seem quite likely.
 
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Given the very little between a 780 & titan it's safe to assume (if true of course) factory oc'd 9970's will match/beat a titan, which by that point will be 10 months old.

Looks like I'll be holding on to my 7970's until 20nm.
 
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