Channel 4 to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer every morning during the holy month of Ramadan

[Craterloads]

I'm not Castiel so I'm ignorant of the meaning here:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

So you think that means "kill people for living in the west or not believing in their sky pixie"

Jees now I know what im dealing with, and the full verse is

Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.

Muslims calling other Muslims non Muslim, no confusion there then.
They killed each other before the West turned up, will continue when we have left and probably continue to seek us out to carry on.
And no, they don't regard each other as legitimate, 'different sky pixie' is a generic way of covering the stupidly minor differences between them both

Oh you mean before when there was sectarian violence? Violence where the west propped up a dictator they then armed with weapons in a proxy war against one of their enemies?

 

[Castiel]

Sectarianism is not "very common" in Scotland, actually, is condemned by the vast majority and hate crimes of that nature are at a 10 year low.

It is common compared to terrorism and I wasn't referring to it being common in Scotland specifically, only generally in society......and it exists in Scotland, particularly in Glasgow.

Of course it is condemned by the majority, no one said any different and it is good that hate crimes are at a 10 year low....but none of that changes what I said or the truth of it.

 

[Biohazard]

It is common compared to terrorism and I wasn't referring to it being common in Scotland specifically, only generally in society......and it exists in Scotland, particularly in Glasgow.

Of course it is condemned by the majority, no one said any different and it is good that hate crimes are at a 10 year low....but none of that changes what I said or the truth of it.

I know you were talking about elsewhere too, yet I don't think it's very common there either. I never said the issue didn't exist, but it is perpetrated by a very small minority.

In comparison to terrorism? Strange comparison, I haven't followed the whole conversation, but how do you compare a plane falling out of the sky partially oblitorating a town or bombing attempts to say an Orange Lodge march and resulting chaos and nonsense?

 

[Craterloads]

Nope - both are intentionally provocative, it still relies on carrying on choosing to believe in some idea in order to become offended by either...

That's not the case though is after reading their full statement.

For example the person behind everyone draw mohammed day was seeking to provoke debate... there wasn't anything inherently offensive about it... there were however groups of people who chose to be offended by it... some reacting rather violently to it.

What debate would that be? freedom of speech?

 

[dowie]

What debate would that be? freedom of speech?

yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

Everybody Draw Mohammed Day was an event held on May 20, 2010 in support of free speech and freedom of artistic expression of those threatened with violence for drawing representations of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. It began as a protest against censorship of an American television show, South Park, "201" by its distributor, Comedy Central, in response to death threats against some of those responsible for two segments broadcast in April 2010.

 

[Castiel]

I know you were talking about elsewhere too, yet I don't think it's very common there either. I never said the issue didn't exist, but it is perpetrated by a very small minority.

I was talking about everywhere, sectarianism is a common manifestation of discrimination and prejudice, not that everyone is involved in sectarianism. It is common to see sectarian attitudes of varying degrees manifest in all societies, from football, to nationalism, to politics to religion and everything inbetween.

In comparison to terrorism? Strange comparison, I haven't followed the whole conversation, but how do you compare a plane falling out of the sky partially oblitorating a town or bombing attempts to say an Orange Lodge march and resulting chaos and nonsense?

It is relevant to the conversation, it wasn't a comparison like for like.....

There is no need to compare one act against another as the comparison was a general one to do with manifestations of prejudice and bigotry rather than direct comparisons of those manifestations.

 

[FoxEye]

Without deflecting attention away from the issue; without saying 'Christianity did/does awful things too'... without any of that...

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why beheadings, floggings, honour killings, stonings, etc, etc, seem to be a daily occurrence in the Muslim-run middle-east countries?

If Islam is a religion of peace, why are so many people prepared to commit awful, backwards acts in the name of Islam, in 2013?

Again, it would be nice if we could talk about this without saying, 'But think of poor choirboys Father Ted molested...' because that really doesn't answer the question...

Are we going to blame this on lack of education, radical preachers, poverty, culture, tradition, the Taliban, or what?

 

[Biohazard]

I was talking about everywhere, sectarianism is a common manifestation of discrimination and prejudice, not that everyone is involved in sectarianism. It is common to see sectarian attitudes of varying degrees manifest in all societies, from football, to nationalism, to politics to religion and everything inbetween.

Absolutely, I just think you ought to word it more carefully.

It is relevant to the conversation, it wasn't a comparison like for like.....

There is no need to compare one act against another as the comparison was a general one to do with manifestations of prejudice and bigotry rather than direct comparisons of those manifestations.

Ok, just asking.

 

[zoomee]

Without deflecting attention away from the issue; without saying 'Christianity did/does awful things too'... without any of that...

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why beheadings, floggings, honour killings, stonings, etc, etc, seem to be a daily occurrence in the Muslim-run middle-east countries?

If Islam is a religion of peace, why are so many people prepared to commit awful, backwards acts in the name of Islam, in 2013?

Again, it would be nice if we could talk about this without saying, 'But think of poor choirboys Father Ted molested...' because that really doesn't answer the question...

Are we going to blame this on lack of education, radical preachers, poverty, culture, tradition, the Taliban, or what?

A bit of all them bud. Mainly ignorance, lack of knowledge and culture though. TBH it wasnt that far different here in europe not too long ago. Look at how the witch hunts came about for example....

 

[estebanrey]

 

[bitslice]

So you think that means "kill people for living in the west or not believing in their sky pixie"

Who knows? Why don't you ask the Imams in question what they find so terrible about the other Muslims sky pixie story. I'm sure if they can justify stoning women who have just been raped, then a skirmish with Mohammed Flintstone is easy to explain.

Islam is a revolutionary religion, the plan isn't to knock on doors and hand out pamphlets, it is to impose Islam throughout the world. You only have to look at the frequent beheadings of Christians in these countries to see how they don't intend on living in a multi-faith society.

Do you have the quaint idea that Muslims just live in the Middle East and drink tea or haven't you noticed how quickly it has spread around Africa.

Name one country they have moved into where they didn't immediately start kicking up a fuss and demanding changes to suit themselves, or maybe France, Sweden and Germany could give you a few ideas. I could mention the UK but if you haven't noticed by now you never will.

Oh you mean before when there was sectarian violence? Violence where the west propped up a dictator they then armed with weapons in a proxy war against one of their enemies?

Really, so the whole Sunni vs Shia thing is our fault?
I've seen less pathetic reasons for fallouts on the Jeremy Kyle show, these people are a joke.

 

[Craterloads]

Who knows? Why don't you ask the Imams in question what they find so terrible about the other Muslims sky pixie story. I'm sure if they can justify stoning women who have just been raped, then a skirmish with Mohammed Flintstone is easy to explain.

Islam is a revolutionary religion, the plan isn't to knock on doors and hand out pamphlets, it is to impose Islam throughout the world. You only have to look at the frequent beheadings of Christians in these countries to see how they don't intend on living in a multi-faith society.

Do you have the quaint idea that Muslims just live in the Middle East and drink tea or haven't you noticed how quickly it has spread around Africa.

So I take that as a, no sir I cant explain how "Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98" means to "kill people for living in the west or not believing in their sky pixie" something that I claimed, I must have just pulled that from my arse. Sorry

Its funny you are so concerned with the "spread" of Muslims given you last stated where you live there isn't an "ethnic" for a 20 mile radius...

You seem to be wearing rose tinted glasses where only Muslims do evil and all other people are nice and dandy, is it the Muslim countries that are invading western nations or is it the other way around? Was Christianity not spread by the sword? who was responsible for the most devastating war in living history? Beheading, sure just looks at parts of Africa during the 90s to see what "Christians" got upto.

Name one country they have moved into where they didn't immediately start kicking up a fuss and demanding changes to suit themselves, or maybe France, Sweden and Germany could give you a few ideas. I could mention the UK but if you haven't noticed by now you never will.

Shocker, people request stuff that suits them... If people are nationals they have the right to demand what ever they want, that's what freedom and democracy is. Guess it bugs you they are aloud to vote? And what is this "immediately kicking up a fuss and demanding changes", care to expand?

Really, so the whole Sunni vs Shia thing is our fault?
I've seen less pathetic reasons for fallouts on the Jeremy Kyle show, these people are a joke.

Of coarse not, but lets not pretend the current escalated violence is not as a direct result of invasion or meddling in the past. Point is you make it sound like these problems are exclusive to Islam and Muslims, but I guess that kind of fits in your agenda so that's what you believe. Perhaps you have forgot about all the violence committed by Irish "dissidents" (or in other words terrorists), the genocides committed in Africa by Christians etc etc

 

[Craterloads]

yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

Anyhow your point falls flat considering we have established channel 4 were not broadcasting to provoke the EDL.

Secondly the "freedom of speech" comes with responsibility as already proven by laws in this country and recent high profiles arrests because of online comments.

Now I don't thinking freedom of speech would help my defence one bit if I thought it was funny putting up a cartoon drawing of Lee Rigby head rolling around the floor on Facebook with "lol" written across the top. Would you defend my freedom of speech to do that? Its only a cartoon right?

 

[Frightful Boar]

Is this supposed to be ironic? Every single thing you said is absolute and completely wrong. So much fail in one bigoted post

Fair enough, nice opinion, but why don't you address the exact things I've said and tell me how it's wrong. So, for example you could tell me when Christian suicide bombers have been in the news or Christians mutilating their children. If you can, great, I'm not a Christian so I'd be very interested. But I'd also be surprised that you're not just full of hot air.

Or you can just continue to talk in vague generalities and try to look cool by calling me a bigot. And for the record, I don't subscribe to this "OMG being a bigot is the worst thing evar!!" mentality so calling me a bigot is about as harmful as calling me "poopypants"

 

[Frightful Boar]

As stated your post is full of ignorance and plain old bigotry

What about the African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors
Or how's about:
Genocide in Rwanda
Catholic extermination camps
Catholic terror in Vietnam
Child abuse scandal and cover-up
..etc ...etc
Conveniently forgotten about these Christian disgraces (along with many many others I might add), I guess it doesn't do your Islam/Muslim bashing much favors !

Don't get me wrong I'm an anti-theist and despise all religions, however I find ignorant selective bigotry even more repulsive.

You find bigotry "repulsive"? Honestly mate, get a grip. Oh noes, someone doesn't like someone else's beliefs!!! Call the cops!

I can also write any words I please too. Why don't you spend loads of your time proving me wrong by proving evidence of what you've said or I'll just go with "you're making it up to show how awesomely non-bigoted you are".

And since you despise all religions, why don't you tell me which one is the worst, because reasonably, one's gotta be the worst.

 

[Frightful Boar]

Hey cheats64 I mean Frightful Boar - how about the IRA and UDF decades of terrorism which isn't over we just call them dissidents these days

You're not the first person to accuse me of being a returned bannee (if that's a word) and you're not the first to be wrong.

 

[ilcp]

Nonsense. It's way worse. I don't hear about Christian suicide bombers, Christian child mutilators or Christian rape gangs.

And there's the business about the founder of the religion being a paedophile.

and when did all this start? when US decided to invade afghanistan? who trained al-qaeedah against Russia? it was the US but then they were called freedom fighters. As soon as they turned agains USA, they became a terrorist.. how nice.

and do we even know why they did 9/11? I am sure it wasnt a lets do it because we have nothing better to do! there must have been reasons.

I don't believe all Muslims themselves are inherently evil, but Islam as a religion I do. For some reason people read "Islam is inherently evil" as "Muslims are inherently evil", but those people are just looking for an argument.

The creator of the religion (and let's face it, he must have been either deluded or a liar to come up with the stuff in the koran) raped a 9 year old girl, or maybe she was 12 as apologists sometimes say. Is that evil? Certainly.

i have commented on this.. so lets say she was 12, why is that evil because she is under the age of what you think is acceptable? i.e. 16 in UK, does that mean all people in japan where legal age is 12 are paedophile or at least support it? so i guess he didnt do anything wrong then if in this day and age a country has legal limit of 12! why dont you have issue with Japan? because they are not muslim?

bestiality is wrong but i know of at least one EU country where it is legal!

so if I were you, i would go and start protests against these countries and not what happened before?

 

[Frightful Boar]

So not only a Muslim apologist, but raping children is ok now too?

I'll add you to the list of people that are too disgusting to respond to.

Sickening!

 

[RDM]

i have commented on this.. so lets say she was 12, why is that evil because she is under the age of what you think is acceptable? i.e. 16 in UK,

Do you think it is acceptable to have sex with a 12 year old? I don't think personally that 12 year olds are mentally or physically mature enough to enter in to sexual relationship.

That has obviously changed with culture and tradition however Mohammed, from an Islamic point of view, is meant to be a role model of how to be a good muslim so his actions should be timeless.

does that mean all people in japan where legal age is 12 are paedophile or at least support it? so i guess he didnt do anything wrong then if in this day and age a country has legal limit of 12! why dont you have issue with Japan? because they are not muslim?

The federal legal age of consent in Japan is 13 but it would still be illegal to in any way influence an under 18 to have sex, however virtually all prefectures have their own laws making the legal age of consent generally 18. If you are going to lambast people for being ill informed or having stereotypical views of muslims you probably shouldn't do the same yourself with Japan.

 

[ilcp]

Why is it ok for JAPAN to have age of 12 in this day and age! just answer this?

it seems in your mind, you have totally ignored my post and picked on one thing out of context, same thing you did with Quran! open your eyes, learn to be open!

oh i am sorry, Japan has a legal age of 13 not 12! my point still stands.. and even if it was 15, (france et al) then to you it would still be paedophilia.. so go on why dont you lot do something about that?

dont beat around the bush, if the law says it is 13, it is 13!