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i work in a bookies and hear all sorts of theories lol
Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani
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i work in a bookies and hear all sorts of theories lol
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Once again, this states is quite clearly
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ned-by-clauses-in-his-Barcelona-contract.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ned-by-clauses-in-his-Barcelona-contract.html
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Can people really not think things through at all, I mean seriously even the slightest bit.
Firstly we've got gimp demanding an Arsenal fan provide proof claiming we'll get 50% of the fee, right after he claims we'll get 50% of the profit with no proof of that whatsoever.
Secondly, lets say Arsenal sell for 30mil, and Barca sell for 25mil... so Barca paid more for him than they should and thus logically should pay Arsenal part of the lower fee? Or Arsenal sell for 30mil Barca sell for 45mil, it turns out Fabregas was worth more than they paid... but Barca don't pay any add on fee for him. Neither make ANY sense and it is neither Arsenal nor Barca's interest for that to be signed.
Neither is it in Arsenal's interest to add a clause that only gives 50% of any profit rather than 50% of a fee, and considering 99.999% of all sell on clauses have to date just been part of the fee rather than part of the profit... its basically absurd to assume Arsenal would push that idea, or agree to it as a means for dropping their requested fee so significantly.
Simple thought OSK, that deal simply makes no sense to anyone involved, not a freaking chance, 50% of any profit, very very unlikely, possible, but not very likely as it would essentially do the direct opposite of what OSK has heard, in that if it turns out Barca could sell him for significantly more than Arsenal get more money to make up for underselling a player worth more. But again Fabregas was EASILY worth more than 30mil, and the only reason to drop a fee significantly from 40mil they supposedly were asking for or the 50-60mil he was actually worth, is if the sell on clause is good for Arsenal not potentially marginally half decent. You don't drop 10mil at least off the asking price for half of a potential couple mil profit a few years later.
Firstly we've got gimp demanding an Arsenal fan provide proof claiming we'll get 50% of the fee, right after he claims we'll get 50% of the profit with no proof of that whatsoever.
Secondly, lets say Arsenal sell for 30mil, and Barca sell for 25mil... so Barca paid more for him than they should and thus logically should pay Arsenal part of the lower fee? Or Arsenal sell for 30mil Barca sell for 45mil, it turns out Fabregas was worth more than they paid... but Barca don't pay any add on fee for him. Neither make ANY sense and it is neither Arsenal nor Barca's interest for that to be signed.
Neither is it in Arsenal's interest to add a clause that only gives 50% of any profit rather than 50% of a fee, and considering 99.999% of all sell on clauses have to date just been part of the fee rather than part of the profit... its basically absurd to assume Arsenal would push that idea, or agree to it as a means for dropping their requested fee so significantly.
Simple thought OSK, that deal simply makes no sense to anyone involved, not a freaking chance, 50% of any profit, very very unlikely, possible, but not very likely as it would essentially do the direct opposite of what OSK has heard, in that if it turns out Barca could sell him for significantly more than Arsenal get more money to make up for underselling a player worth more. But again Fabregas was EASILY worth more than 30mil, and the only reason to drop a fee significantly from 40mil they supposedly were asking for or the 50-60mil he was actually worth, is if the sell on clause is good for Arsenal not potentially marginally half decent. You don't drop 10mil at least off the asking price for half of a potential couple mil profit a few years later.
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Again, Arsenal ask Barca for 40mil for Fabregas... they pay it, then sell him for 25mil 2 years later, Barca get 25mil Arsenal have 40mil.
The alternative, Arsenal said 30mil + 50% sell on clause, 2 years later Barca sell him for 25mil, Arsenal get 42.5mil, Barca have 22.5mil because they have 10mil off the original price.....
Barca have already received their part of the deal by a reduce initial cost. The reason for Arsenal risking a lower fee with a big sell on clause is that it might mean a bit more money, or could go the other way. either way its less cash upfront for Barca and most business tends to go with lower spending than hoping a long term game assuming Cesc would leave, the odds were(and still are) on Cesc never leaving Barca, meaning they would come out WAY ahead on the deal.
A sell on clause is accounted for DURING THE INITIAL SALE, it doesn't need to be factored in later on.
That's great and that is seriously the first thing I've seen that has said that.
If it is the case then it looks like Barca will have to take a hit and at the moment they need the money.
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united should offer £5million for cesc and £25mil bonus if he flys in for medical maybe that will get around the 50% clause
Whilst a stupid point, it's a relevant one.
United and Barca could agree to sell him for a pound with a minimum 5 game clause including an extra 30 million. So many ways to get round that clause.
A player swap deal could make that clause none significant.
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I very much doubt that they would be able to get away with that without Arsenal's lawyers becoming involved, and if found guilt of wrongdoing, the financial penalties could be much harsher.
If such a clause exists do you really think Arsenal would employ brain dead lawyers that would make it that simple to get around?
Stranger things have happened.
Not playing Thiago and letting him leave for 17 million was pretty stupid.
Agreeing to a 50% sell on clause for Fabregas is pretty stupid.
Arsenal not signing their best players up to long term deals is pretty stupid.
Like most people I think there is more to it.
United don;t really go public with targets or bids, someone is leaking it either United, Fabregas, his agent or Barcelona.
Either way someone is going to look daft, like I said before Fabregas has been very tight lipped about all this and that is unlike him, he's normally straight to the press.
For United to have one bid rejected and to then go back, there must be some correspondence between the parties.
United don;t really go public with targets or bids, someone is leaking it either United, Fabregas, his agent or Barcelona.
Either way someone is going to look daft, like I said before Fabregas has been very tight lipped about all this and that is unlike him, he's normally straight to the press.
For United to have one bid rejected and to then go back, there must be some correspondence between the parties.
Regarding Thiago - Bayern paid 5-6m euros more than the clause, why? Because the clause meant **** all. Barca chose to sell Thiago, they weren't forced to sell him.
As for agreeing a 50% sell on - there's 2 reasons why they may have done so, if they have done. Firstly it may have meant they were able to sign Fabregas for a slightly knocked down fee (which they did) but also when signing him they may not have anticipated selling him in his prime/for a big transfer fee making that 50% clause worthless.
Pretty much every article with every news source has said this.
There has to be some kind of discussion going on though, maybe it means Barca losing out on a few million, I'm not really arsed
There is definitely some correspondence going on though, I can;t see United bidding publicly if there is nothing in it.
I'm utterly drunk.
Now I have not been involved in any high profile football transfers but surely there must be some encouragement for Utd if they have returned with a 2nd bid. Apparently the bid was lodged early today and to this point neither the player nor the club has rebuffed it.
Flip the tables and Moureen tries to sign Rooney and is given the swift F R O.
There is more to this than meets the eye thats for sure. Barca could have simply said this afternoon, both the player and club have no interest in selling or moving. Any future bids will be rejected.
Why make the 1st or 2nd bid public if it's never going to be considered
Flip the tables and Moureen tries to sign Rooney and is given the swift F R O.
There is more to this than meets the eye thats for sure. Barca could have simply said this afternoon, both the player and club have no interest in selling or moving. Any future bids will be rejected.
Why make the 1st or 2nd bid public if it's never going to be considered
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