Why did I wait :(

[The Asgard]

End of the day you can analyse all you want but it isn't going to change a thing. Just like everything else in life prices are going up. Yes its greedy, unfair, unjustified, poor value for money ..... but that's life. If it was just Nvidia / AMD then yes I would be getting more upset but it isn't.

How much is the latest 5Ghz CPU from AMD ???

If you want something bad enough and it gives you pleasure bite the bullet and be happy, life is far too short.

 

[Final8y]

End of the day you can analyse all you want but it isn't going to change a thing. Just like everything else in life prices are going up. Yes its greedy, unfair, unjustified, poor value for money ..... but that's life. If it was just Nvidia / AMD then yes I would be getting more upset but it isn't.

How much is the latest 5Ghz CPU from AMD ???

If you want something bad enough and it gives you pleasure bite the bullet and be happy, life is far too short.

People not paying can change things, that is a fact.

But if everyone took the If you want something bad enough and it gives you pleasure bite the bullet and be happy, life is far too short to hell with the price every time then prices will spiral out of control in no time and we end up shooting ourself in the foot in the long term.

 

[dmferrett]

How much is the latest 5Ghz CPU from AMD ???

That is exactly the point...

AMD's Pseudo 5Ghz FX9**** Cpu is not offering more performance for more money, this is directly analogous to Nvidia not offering more gpu performance for considerably more money. These companies need to be held to account when releasing a product that is dubbed a performance marque/milestone.



AMD would need to produce a CPu that has the following qualities to justify its asking price

1) More Performance than intel 3960x
2) Much more perfomrance than i7 Ivy and Haswell. (At least 100%)
3) Probably needs to have 16 cores to justify its mental cost (Independent cores, not cores with shared resources also!!!)
4) PCi express 3.0
5) Smaller process node 32nm is old old old...

I run a red hot ivy at the moment but I pray for the day AMD returns to market with a competitive performance gaming cpu. Intel has crushed performance hikes in the previous few cpu generations. Goodness me i only replaced my Q6600 several months ago which i bough in 2007!!!

I'm beginning to think moores law is dead!!!!

 

[Kaapstad]

Very true, but AMD users dont like the way "some" Nvidia users think they have their heirs and graces and come across like they have the superior product when infact they have paid disproportionately more for a negligeable performance enhancement if any gain at all.

Getting to the core of this>>>

If the 760 is £200, 770 is £300, 780 is £400 and the Titan came in at £500 then people couldn't moan so much as there is progressive performance relative to cost. (Excluding the arguments of limited Memory Bus and Vram)

Currently even in Nvidia's own range, price has no relevance or relationship to performance. (Using FPS as the performance parameter being measured)

On another post i asked if someone could do basic calcualtions on cost per frame which would be very interesting to see. And not just AMD verse Nvidia but Nvidia verse Nvidia between different models.

If a Titan has only 20-30% more FPS than a gtx770 why is it 250-300% the cost. 1% increase in frames should never cost 10% or more money its crazy.

Likewise a 7950 is within 2% off a 7970 but was £100 less expensive and overclocks and performs often comparable when overclocked...

All companies, models, cards and prices should be critically analysed because we as customers dont want the urine extracted out of us...

What we dont want is hugely expensive items like the Tian pushing the cost of mainstream enthusiast cards at the previouly £250-£350 price point jumping to £450-£550 plus..

The Gtx 770 and the Titan are great cards no doubt. If the 770 had 3-4Gb and 384 bits memory bus at ths current price point it would be perfection. If Team green made this card it would be truely awesome. This might even be Nvidia's next move if the 20Nm process isnt ready come the autumn.

The Titan is sex on silicon but it needs to be £500 IMO. Then we can all aspire to purchase it and also even god forbid justify it to our wives on performance grounds when compared the other Gpu's on the market..(Currently Unjustifiable for Gaming alone IMO)

Just my thoughts.................Same with Intel but thats another debate...........................

When people comment on the price of the Titan they often miss the point that for what you get it is quite good value.

You would need three or four Titans but it is probably the only GPU on sale at the moment that is capable of maxing games out on one of these new 4k monitors.

http://www.techpowerup.com/187671/dell-unveils-ultrasharp-32-monitor-with-ultra-hd-resolution.html

3gb cards may be able to use reduced settings on one of these monitors, but this is the real market for the Titan with it's 6gb of vram. If it was not for the extra vram the price would be much closer to the GTX 780.

 

[The Asgard]

People not paying can change things, that is a fact.

But if everyone took the If you want something bad enough and it gives you pleasure bite the bullet and be happy, life is far too short to hell with the price every time then prices will spiral out of control in no time and we end up shooting ourself in the foot in the long term.

But that's not going to happen so what's the point in stressing about it.

Do you stress every time you fill your car full of fuel or pay the electricity and gas bill?

Unfortunately it's a fact of life. So the real question is do you want it or not. What's it worth to you?

How does a Titan at £850 affect my life, short answer it doesn't. You have choice!

 

[The Asgard]

That is exactly the point...

AMD's Pseudo 5Ghz FX9**** Cpu is not offering more performance for more money, this is directly analogous to Nvidia not offering more gpu performance for considerably more money. These companies need to be held to account when releasing a product that is dubbed a performance marque/milestone.



AMD would need to produce a CPu that has the following qualities to justify its asking price

1) More Performance than intel 3960x
2) Much more perfomrance than i7 Ivy and Haswell. (At least 100%)
3) Probably needs to have 16 cores to justify its mental cost (Independent cores, not cores with shared resources also!!!)
4) PCi express 3.0
5) Smaller process node 32nm is old old old...

I run a red hot ivy at the moment but I pray for the day AMD returns to market with a competitive performance gaming cpu. Intel has crushed performance hikes in the previous few cpu generations. Godness i only replaced my Q6600 several months ago which i bough in 2007!!!

I'm beginning to think moores law is dead!!!!

But you have choice, that the deal. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.

 

[The Asgard]

3gb cards may be able to use reduced settings on one of these monitors, but this is the real market for the Titan with it's 6gb of vram. If it was not for the extra vram the price would be much closer to the GTX 780.

Actually this is one of the reasons I went with Titan. It had raw grunt and plenty VRAM. My last two cards all ran out of VRAM before they ran out of poke. With the new consoles using more texture memory, 3GB could become a limitation in some games. Sure the 780 is close in performance but once you reach the VRAM limit it will tank.

For me the Titan will end up costing less money than a 780 because I will be able to keep it longer. That's the idea anyway going from previous experience.

 

[dmferrett]

When people comment on the price of the Titan they often miss the point that for what you get it is quite good value.

You would need three or four Titans but it is probably the only GPU on sale at the moment that is capable of maxing games out on one of these new 4k monitors.

http://www.techpowerup.com/187671/dell-unveils-ultrasharp-32-monitor-with-ultra-hd-resolution.html

3gb cards may be able to use reduced settings on one of these monitors, but this is the real market for the Titan with it's 6gb of vram. If it was not for the extra vram the price would be much closer to the GTX 780.

Lovely Monitor I wonder which company manufactures it? Is this a Dell rebrand?

Sorry which games use 6gb Vram and at what resolution.

Am I reading this right!!!!

The real insult is that for £360 or less 2x660ti's hit slightly higher frames in bf3 mp at 1080p that is a laughable statisic......(Obviosly at higher resolution the Titan kills this combo's 196bit memory bus limitation)

I dont see a 3gb 7990 dropping its settings or Xfire 7970's check out the link on Xbit labs reviewing these cards.....

 

[The Asgard]

Sorry which games use 6gb Vram and at what resolution.

He is talking about 4K monitors.

 

[LtMatt]

When people comment on the price of the Titan they often miss the point that for what you get it is quite good value.

Can you repeat the statement Kap?

Sure, when people comment on the price of the Titan they often miss the point that for what you get it is quite good value.

 

[Kaapstad]

He is talking about 4K monitors.

+1

It does make the 2gb or 3gb debate obsolete.

 

[dmferrett]

Matt can i upgrade the fans on my xfx7950's, they get a little warm at 1200Mhz after 30mins?

 

[spoffle]

Honestly, the way people twist the definition of words so that they can apply them to things to make themselves feel better.

Good value is never something that's going to be associated with the GTX Titan for people who only use them for games, and it's a fact because that's not what value means.

 

[Kaapstad]

Honestly, the way people twist the definition of words so that they can apply them to things to make themselves feel better.

Good value is never something that's going to be associated with the GTX Titan for people who only use them for games, and it's a fact because that's not what value means.

On a 4k monitor there is not much else to compare Titans in sli to which makes them pretty good value.

You are the one who goes on about 3gb of vram being better than 2gb, on a 4k monitor you are going to need 6gb cards and that means the Titan.

 

[Final8y]

But that's not going to happen so what's the point in stressing about it.

2) Do you stress every time you fill your car full of fuel or pay the electricity and gas bill?

3)Unfortunately it's a fact of life. So the real question is do you want it or not. What's it worth to you?

4)How does a Titan at £850 affect my life, short answer it doesn't. You have choice!

1)Yes it does happen.

2)Stop bringing necessities into yet again, because that is a completely different matter.

3)Its not the fact of life, its what we make it, its not a natural phenomenon.

4)You completely miss the point because its nothing about the effect it has on peoples lives.

 

[spoffle]

On a 4k monitor there is not much else to compare Titans in sli to which makes them pretty good value.

You are the one who goes on about 3gb of vram being better than 2gb, on a 4k monitor you are going to need 6gb cards and that means the Titan.

3GB IS better than 2GB, what a bizarre thing to suggest...

That aside, you must have a poor memory (hurr hurr) because the issue I press is that the memory bandwidth is the more important issue.

However, neither of your points means that a Titan is "good value" just because it has 6GB of RAM. You can get 6GB 7970s for example which will be below half the price of the Titan.

Additionally the memory footprint/consumption as well as GPU computation requirements don't increase linearly with an increase in resolution.

This means that you don't need 4x the GPU power and RAM to run a game at "4k" than you would at 1920x1080.

 

[Final8y]

On a 4k monitor there is not much else to compare Titans in sli to which makes them pretty good value.

You are the one who goes on about 3gb of vram being better than 2gb, on a 4k monitor you are going to need 6gb cards and that means the Titan.

SLI will make it more likely to cope, it does not make it better value, The unit cost does not go down the more you buy.

 

[Kaapstad]

3GB IS better than 2GB, what a bizarre thing to suggest...

That aside, you must have a poor memory (hurr hurr) because the issue I press is that the memory bandwidth is the more important issue.

However, neither of your points means that a Titan is "good value" just because it has 6GB of RAM. You can get 6GB 7970s for example which will be below half the price of the Titan.

Additionally the memory footprint/consumption as well as GPU computation requirements don't increase linearly with an increase in resolution.

This means that you don't need 4x the GPU power and RAM to run a game at "4k" than you would at 1920x1080.

GPU requirements do scale with pixel count, some of us have taken the time to test this.

 

[spoffle]

GPU requirements do scale with pixel count, some of us have taken the time to test this.

They do scale, I didn't say they didn't.

What I said is that it's not a linear scale.

Bare in mind that my current resolution of 7680x1440's pixel count is in excess of the pixel count from a 4K display.

3840x2160 = 8.3 million pixels

7680x1440 = 11 million pixels

I did not spend £3000 to be able to run games at my resolution, I also don't need 6GB of RAM.

 

[Kaapstad]

They do scale, I didn't say they didn't.

What I said is that it's not a linear scale.

Using the same settings it is very linear, providing the rest of the system is not bottlenecking anything a game giving 60fps @1080p will give 30fps @1600p and 15fps @4k