Weight loss quick question

even with weights you still need cardio so I would still advise him to get a bike if he goes that route.

cycling is fun walking /running is to much like hardwork :D especially if you are totally unfit like I'm guessing the op is.

I'm totally unfit to but have no problems cycling at all where as I already said jogging I would probably get a mile and feel like a rest :|.

but anyway without a decent diet you won't lose much weight you will just feel tired all the time

Ah, yes... because legs are the first thing everybody sees when one hits the beach.
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Cycling doesn't work just your legs ;) obviously you won't look buff from doing it but you can look fairly well defined.

anyway I would lose weight and worry about weight lifting after if that is something he wants to do
What, and 2hrs of cycling leaves you smelling like a rose?
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you don't feel hot until you stop because of the cold air rushing past you.

although after that 20 miles my shoulders and all of my back were completely soaked :D some woman walked past me after I had put the bike inside and said "eurghhh" lol
 
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Right I'm in the same boat as you, but you need to read up on sugar, it really is the enemy, tic tacs to stave off 1130 crashes is a terrible idea, try some nuts instead, packed full of nutrients and fibre. Get more fat in your diet, eggs are fantastic. The dizzy pop and low sugar juice is terrible stuff which will be messing with you insulin production. Just think low fat/low calorie = chemical **** storm. How much water are you drinking?

Grats though for getting up and walking, its better than sitting on your arse. Its hard to exercise with bulk it hurts. I challenge you to try bodyweight squats. They are brilliant, train your legs and the rest of your body with thank you immensely. Squats=release of growth hormone=bigger musculature=increase in BMR=fat burning at rest. quite a lot of bro science there and its not quite that simple but it works.

Good luck.
 
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arknor said:
I'd probably be dead in 10-20mins jogging and go back home with barely any calories burned but because cycling feels so easy even though it burns more calories because your also propelling the weight of the bike I will happily carry on for as long as I can.
I sweat like crazy and give my legs a real good workout but never feel totally drained and out of breath.
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You're doing it wrong
 
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You're doing it wrong
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my legs say otherwise :D
I can hardly wak up the stairs after some rides.

I don't get totally out of breath like I would jogging/running but I do pant fairly hard at times.
I lack the endurance in my legs to go at high speed though like some of the people into cycling on thse forums are twice as fast as me over any distance.

I've only had a bike since the 5th though so won't really see any gains in speed for awhile I guess.

My buttocks are my real setback so far :( my sit bones aren't used to supporting me but I'm slowly getting less buttock ache after each ride
 
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Great know but rather than the act like sugar chemicals id rather add honey as at least it has nutritional benefits and is an actual food.
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yea I was just breaking down all the ingredients after someone else said it was bad for you when it doesn't seem to be factual or atleast relevant for modern squash drinks
if you wanted an uber low calorie flavour system then you probably won't get much lower than squash
Typical Values Typical values per 100ml of concentrate -
Energy 43kJ/10kcal -
Protein 0.2g -
Carbohydrate 0.3g -
of which sugars 0.3g -
Fat Trace -
of which saturates Nil -
Fibre 0.5g -
Sodium 0.1g
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I used to drink pints of squash and a couple of pints of orange juice a day. No wonder I was fat. Stopped 6 months ago and only drink water, coconut/almond milk, coffee or green tea/other teas now and feel so much better for it.
 
I still drink squash, beer (not at the same time), coffee, water and even milk (I only like skimmed milk though so its practically water anyway). My weekly running, biking and walking means I can pretty much eat anything now. Ive done the weight training stuff and I just don't get along with it that well. Don't get me wrong there are parts I would like to be more toned but I don't want muscles beyond what I have naturally.

Each to there own though, I know loads of people think its a good look, I'm not one of those people though :)
 
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My weight loss has really only worked while doing weight lifting (even then it was pretty slow) - but went from 15.5 to 11.5 in about 18 months (works out to just under a pound a week over the period), my LBM wasn't great to begin with - but I've found I've lost minimal muscle during a very long diet.

Really, if I didn't have a social life (drinks with friends) I could have done it in 12 months easily - but too many social occasions over the last year with each one being a minor diet set-back.

TLDR version : Try weight-lifting, it's conducive to consistent weight loss.
 
Oxygene: apologies that this is blunt, but I think somebody needs to tell you...

Going on with your current (public) attitude, you will plateau and you will stay there. You don't seem to have the motivation to drop much more than you currently have as - whilst you have achieved a consistently enormous calorie deficit - you won't relinquish certain snacks or address your actual lifestyle.

So whilst I and the other members of this forum will answer your questions and provide you with guidance, you aren't showing (from your posts) that you are wired in for this.

I will happily be proven wrong - this is the very sort of thing for I actually like being proven wrong on - but I think you really need to sort your motivation out for this to work, long-term.
 
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Oxygene: apologies that this is blunt, but I think somebody needs to tell you...

Going on with your current (public) attitude, you will plateau and you will stay there. You don't seem to have the motivation to drop much more than you currently have as - whilst you have achieved a consistently enormous calorie deficit - you won't relinquish certain snacks or address your actual lifestyle.

So whilst I and the other members of this forum will answer your questions and provide you with guidance, you aren't showing (from your posts) that you are wired in for this.

I will happily be proven wrong - this is the very sort of thing for I actually like being proven wrong on - but I think you really need to sort your motivation out for this to work, long-term.
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I'm confused? Relinquish certain snacks? I havent snacked in 7 months. Addressing my actual lifestyle, howso? I've dramatically changed my diet started exercising. I think this is all pretty huge for what I was to what I am now. Just because I'm not interested in sport and find exercise boring doesnt mean I cant slim down?
How should I be showing I'm more wired for this anyhow? Surely the fact that I've been doing this for this long already is proof enough?


Lunch consists of:
Weight Watchers vanilla yogurt - 54 kcals
Skips - 76kcals
Banana - 110kcals (estimate)
Weight Watchers Carrot Cake Slice - 84kcals
Home made lean ham and lettuce sandwiches with diet bread - estimates 250kcals
Total 550kcals ish

Ad that to my breakfast posted above and thats about 780kcals and pretty average most days. The dinner times are randomized between a couple of dozen diet / weight watchers recipes so I wont know till I arrive home, but tend towards 500-600kcals.
 
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your going to feel lethargic and rubbish if you continue on your current path.

Crisps, cake, bread and tictacs. all things you've mentioned in this thread. they may be low in calories, but these things are awful for you. overcome this mental block and you might be onto a winner.

Lots of meat
Lots of vegetables
Loads of herbs/chillies.
Some fruit
Some nuts
LOADS and Loads of water.

what did you think to the idea of body weight squats?
 
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your going to feel lethargic and rubbish if you continue on your current path.

Crisps, cake, bread and tictacs. all things you've mentioned in this thread. they may be low in calories, but these things are awful for you. overcome this mental block and you might be onto a winner.

Lots of meat
Lots of vegetables
Loads of herbs/chillies.
Some fruit
Some nuts
LOADS and Loads of water.

what did you think to the idea of body weight squats?
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I do get lots of meat and veg with my dinners. I cover fruit with a banana every lunch time.

WAter wise i drink probably 3 pints at work and maybe one in the evening.
For the squats they look energetic enough but the main reason i am going for a treadmill is my knee joints still act up regularly. Do those build up stomach or leg muscle? The one side effect to carrying around this much weight is i have very strong leg muscles hehe.
Also im sure ive read that nuts are bad for snacking on cause they are fattenning?
 
*Sigh*

I have just re-read your posts to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

My point is that you are adjusting your diet to the extreme, not thinking about exercise that will actually benefit you, and not focussing on things that will actually help.

I am full of admiration for anybody that can lose weight - I lost just over 9kgs since March and loathed every second of it - but I just do not get the impression from your posts that you are willing to change enough to get yourself to a healthy weight, through healthy means, with the long-term in mind.

As I said, I am very happy to be proven wrong on this and I will help/support/whatever to get you there.

What I suspect is wrong with your diet:

- Not enough fat or protein;
- Mid-morning slumps? Body craving sugar/starch... like your breakfast.

What I suspect is wrong with your lifestyle:

"My main hurdle is always going to be exercise. There is no sport I enjoy or ever have. Even when I was skinny and played football I was always the goal post (thats about how useful a goalie I was). And I find any for of exercise intolerably boring. This is why I opted for a treadmill instead of actual walking. Plus i dont like the thought of thin muscly people watching me while I am bouncy and flabby (loose skin is a pain).
I did have an exercise bike for a bit, but back then when I was heavier I had pains a lot in ankles and knees."

You have to remember that very few people (based on my experience) care what anybody else is doing in the gym. The only time I will pay any attention to what somebody is doing is if they are lifting in a manner that will get them killed. If they have bad form? I will glance, and that's it. I suspect most other people are the same. there is a reason a lot of them wear headphones, after all.

All I'm saying is this:

- Your diet is not great and will hinder your results;
- Your exercise regime and plans for it is not great and won't get you the results you want;
- You don't seem (as I said, this may just be how you come across on the internet) very particularly engaged with changing either of the above.

The Weight Loss + Recipes thread is awesome and full of crazily fantastic examples of guys/gals who have done really well for themselves. There are a couple of logs in the Log section from people who have achieved outstanding things because they desperately wanted to.

You could be one of them and - given the right impetus - I suspect you may well be. But something has to change, otherwise you will only get so far.

Believe it or not, I'm right behind you on this and ready to help where I can. :)
 
I only skimmed this thread, so forgive me if these points have been covered.

1) You seem to be avoiding fat and protein and eating what is effectively crap. Weight watchers cake and yoghurt? No. Skips? No.

2) A lot of people are talking about cardio being important. It's a useful tool to increase a caloric deficit, but that's it. There is no other effect going on, and you'd see the same results by eating less. The BIG danger of using exercise to burn off calories is that your body increases efficiency over time so you'll burn less for any given distance or time. If you're eating more food to compensate for a large deficit created by cycling for 2 hours and you end up burning 30% (made up number) less over time, you could see your caloric deficit reduce to levels that see your fat loss stall.
 
Ok so instead of just counting calories i should be looking for specific food contents then. That seams to be the general gist of it. So if you chaps were of a similar weight to mywlf and wanted to lose it mainly via diet what would you eat morning noon and night? Give me an example day.
 
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Ok so instead of just counting calories i should be looking for specific food contents then. That seams to be the general gist of it. So if you chaps were of a similar weight to mywlf and wanted to lose it mainly via diet what would you eat morning noon and night? Give me an example day.
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Breakfast:

- Coffee with coconut oil and a spoonful of whey protein.
- Given the choice (rather than my current regime), three scrambled eggs on brown toast.

Snack:

- Coffee with coconut oil and a spoonful of whey protein.

Lunch:

- Coffee with coconut oil and a spoonful of whey protein.
- Chicken, avocado, olive oil, pine nut salad. With a shedload of chicken. And avocado. And two/three eggs.

Snack:

- Coffee with coconut oil;
- Handful of nuts (peanuts are cheap).

Dinner:

- Lasagne with salad; or
- Chilli with rice; or
- Sausage casserole and mash;

Snack:

- Pot of plain cottage cheese (yes, I'm gross... I do actually like it plain).

No idea what this works out to, calorie-wise, but I tailor the quantity to suit what I want/need. I drink 5/6 cups of coffee like this a day, my salads are enormous and I normally have two portions of dinner...

I can also eat a 250g bag of peanuts in one sitting with no difficulty. :)
 
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