More ignorance - is this all piracy or is it legal?

miker1 · 28 Jul 2013 at 22:54

I read all the stuff you guys have setup.

Its all so clever AND sounds really easy to do.

However, where do you get all the movies and music from?

Are these all pirated or what?

Cheers

Mike

vanandjuanunited · 28 Jul 2013 at 22:58

Narrow it down a bit

vintage-x · 29 Jul 2013 at 00:47

miker1 said:
I read all the stuff you guys have setup.

Its all so clever AND sounds really easy to do.

However, where do you get all the movies and music from?

Are these all pirated or what?

Cheers

Mike

I buy everything on dvd and blu-ray then rip the disks onto my server.
Pirated? nope
legal? questionable

Lunatic Dreyfus · 29 Jul 2013 at 07:31

I don't know about the others on here, but my CD and DVD/Blu Ray collection is the result of many, many years of wasted earnings.

If you're just starting out I'd imagine it would look all a bit unbelievable.

As for the HTPC side of things. Legally questionable, but much more convenient. When it works...

Hyburnate · 29 Jul 2013 at 07:38

vintage-x said:
I buy everything on dvd and blu-ray then rip the disks onto my server.
Pirated? nope
legal? questionable

When you buy a DVD or Blu-Ray you usually buy the rights to the film not the disc so you can do what you want with it as far as it says which is usually home use only.

Martynt74 · 29 Jul 2013 at 09:22

I thought it was classed as illegal to rip DVD's/CD's but generally just overlooked if its for personal consumption.

As above i buy all my cd's and then rip them for streaming purposes, my movies/tv shows are a little more blurred between legal purchases and dodgy acquisitions.

d_brennen · 29 Jul 2013 at 09:29

Impossible to police, more like. If media companies COULD stop you ripping media to your own server, they most certainly would. Change is bad, m'kay?

tom_e · 29 Jul 2013 at 09:44

Hyburnate said:
When you buy a DVD or Blu-Ray you usually buy the rights to the film not the disc so you can do what you want with it as far as it says which is usually home use only.

Unless the law has changed for DVD/Blu Ray it's still illegal to break the copy protection baked into most disks though.

DiscoDave · 29 Jul 2013 at 09:50

tom_e said:
Unless the law has changed for DVD/Blu Ray it's still illegal to break the copy protection baked into most disks though.

If you convert a Blu Ray to MKV I assume that's breaking the copy protection. If you create a ISO image from a disc does that still break the copy protection?

lucid · 29 Jul 2013 at 10:21

Marvt74 said:
I thought it was classed as illegal to rip DVD's/CD's but generally just overlooked if its for personal consumption.

As above i buy all my cd's and then rip them for streaming purposes, my movies/tv shows are a little more blurred between legal purchases and dodgy acquisitions.

AFAIK the law hasn't yet been revised to make it legal to rip and make a backup copy of CDs, DVDs and Blu-rays you legally bought. However, David Cameron of this Conservative Government commissioned a report to look at the whole issue of format shifting for personal use and it has accepted some of the recommendations.

So what we have in the UK is a rather muddled situation: On the one hand we have the principles of Copyright Law which go back to the 16th Century and apply as much to digital media as they did to print media of the time. So technically you could be hauled off and clapped in irons because of your iTunes library. In practice though that doesn't happen. It's the difference between the Letter of the Law and its interpretation.

On the other hand we have a Government that recognises changes in the way we consume media and allows in principle the idea of format shifting. But as yet those recommendations haven't yet made it to the statute book as Law.

However, what still remains illegal is any attempt to circumvent anti-copy protection built-in to any of your legally purchased movie and music media.

So, where does this leave the average home streaming movie/music enthusiast as it stands at the moment?...

As far as your own purchase content goes, as long as you retain the original disc then the Law turns a blind eye to making a like-for-like backup copy of the original for personal and family use as long as it doesn't involve breaking any anti-copy protection.
It remains illegal to rip just the film out of a DVD/Blu-ray because that constitutes deconstructing the original in a way that also circumvents anti-copy protection. But once again the Law is unlikely to take action as long as you own the original and the copy is for personal and immediate family use.
Keeping a backup copy where you no longer own the original media is also illegal. The idea of ripping then selling your disc is straightforward enough; That's not allowed. However, I'd be fascinated to know the outcome of a test in Law if your discs were destroyed by fire or flood or some other catastrophe but your digital library survived.
Ripping content and making it available to others outside your immediate family is illegal. So file sharing or making a mix CD for your mates or offering the folk at work copies of your films and music free or for reward is illegal.
Holding copies of music and video files made illegally by others is also prohibited. So that's all downloaded content from P2P sites.

The question still remains about just how practical it is to enforce these Laws. If you are a big-time file sharer then you're of more interest than someone ripping a few movies for the family.

randal · 29 Jul 2013 at 10:29

I presume the op is talking about newsgroup based automation, and is after an NZB site with which to use as a search provider...

Begbie · 29 Jul 2013 at 10:33

miker1 said:
I read all the stuff you guys have setup.

Its all so clever AND sounds really easy to do.

However, where do you get all the movies and music from?

Are these all pirated or what?

Cheers

Mike

It is very easy to do, so easy it's a shame no one can implement a way to both make money out of it and make the consumer happy. Shame they don't, till then most people will go the easy route. Though I know most would be happy to pay for the kind of service that is so easy to implement.

miker1 · 29 Jul 2013 at 11:47

Sorry for not being more specific. I dont want to know HOW just whether its right or wrong.

TV shows - how do you get these - is it illegal?

Movies; Aside from the movie DVDs you have actually bought, can I assume others are "naughty"?

Music - as movies? Or if you use something like Spotify [which my partner does] is this bad too?

miker1 · 29 Jul 2013 at 11:49

randal said:
I presume the op is talking about newsgroup based automation, and is after an NZB site with which to use as a search provider...

Newsgroups? WOW! I havnt been near one of those since the early days of internet in UK!! :cool:

That brings back memories of alt.whatever!!

Psycho Sonny · 29 Jul 2013 at 12:59

i guess your talking about XBMC and a server setup.

the only people willing to talk about their setups will be those who are buying their content. or at least say they are buying it.

Random Guy · 29 Jul 2013 at 13:17

randal said:
I presume the op is talking about newsgroup based automation, and is after an NZB site with which to use as a search provider...

...Or is some kind of Marketing Mole sent to OCUK to figure out how acceptable Piracy is to the common man

lucid · 29 Jul 2013 at 13:24

miker1 said:
Sorry for not being more specific. I dont want to know HOW just whether its right or wrong.

TV shows - how do you get these - is it illegal?

Movies; Aside from the movie DVDs you have actually bought, can I assume others are "naughty"?

Music - as movies? Or if you use something like Spotify [which my partner does] is this bad too?

TV shows are available as box sets on disc or by episode to download from sites such as iTunes. This is just the same as movies. There's no difference.

In simple terms, if you don't own the original disc, or it's not a paid-for download, then in general it's illegal. The rest then is a moral choice and a personal judgement of risk versus reward.

Services such as Spotify are like commercial TV and radio channels. Advertising revenue pays for a basic level of service you can enjoy at no financial cost so long as you accept that the channel carries ads too. There's the option to become a subscriber of course. That gives you and advert-free listening experience. But with Spotify you are live streaming content rather than downloading, so the rules are somewhat different.

miker1 · 29 Jul 2013 at 16:03

Fine.

So its stuff you own, otherwise its piracy.

Fairy Snuff.

As I have never been a music or film buff [or TV as far as that goes] I wont have much! :lol:

So these PC cards for TV/SAT are just for watching? Or is there an implied licence that lets you store and keep that which you have downloaded?

lucid · 29 Jul 2013 at 18:25

So let me get this straight.... You're not in to movies, and you're not in to music.... But you are really interested in working out what is- and what isn't illegal to download. As Dr Evil would say "Riiiiiiight"

So now I'm smelling either a big fat hairy troll or someone looking to profiteer from a bit of piracy and who is abusing the good nature of the folks who are here willing to offer help to those who come with genuine intentions. Which are you?

I'll humour you one last time. Recording to archive is illegal. You aren't the copyright owner. However, the rules are bent to allow the ownership and use of devices for time shift recording for the purpose of viewing at a more convenient time. Implied licence that you can keep recordings my arse. :rolleyes:

miker1 · 29 Jul 2013 at 23:26

lucid said:
So let me get this straight.... You're not in to movies, and you're not in to music.... But you are really interested in working out what is- and what isn't illegal to download. As Dr Evil would say "Riiiiiiight"

So now I'm smelling either a big fat hairy troll or someone looking to profiteer from a bit of piracy and who is abusing the good nature of the folks who are here willing to offer help to those who come with genuine intentions. Which are you?

I'll humour you one last time. Recording to archive is illegal. You aren't the copyright owner. However, the rules are bent to allow the ownership and use of devices for time shift recording for the purpose of viewing at a more convenient time. Implied licence that you can keep recordings my arse.

SO knowledge is wrong? Someone not knowing something makes them a "troll"??
Wanting to do something properly is a cause of abuse??? [Who is Dr Evil anyway? :confused:

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I suggest you take note the date when I joined this forum. I have bought from OC well before I joined too.

You would do well to keep your insinuations to your own dirty mind.
If this is what you consider "help", I suggest you keep it to your sad self and not accuse others of illegalities that you obviously are well informed of.

I am planning to setup a system that's anyone in the house can use from any room. Both my partner and my son will benefit from this [as will I, as it should stop arguments

]. I still don't know the cheapest way to do it, though I do have a fully cabled up house and a number of RPis around.

I spend most of my time on my bed, dosed up with morphine - this seemed an interesting project to pass the waking periods [day or night

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I have been asking on here as it gives me a written answer - I forget too much these days due to all the trash I have to take..... Google isn't my friend cos I keep forgetting what I read! :lol:

I am NOT a movie buff, though I have 40 odd DVDs. Equally I am not an audiophile though I have many CDs - most of which I haven't listened to in years. The rest of the family has their own stuff too.

I also watch very little television - I have NO idea on the rules on this;

Your "for the purpose of viewing at a more convenient time" - means you delete it after you watch it? Do YOU?
Or is there the grossly mocked "implied license" to keep it for personal use?
Can you watch something MORE than once, or must you download it again? I wonder, as Sky does not delete stuff on their box once it is viewed.