Brits moaning about Britain

Raymond Lin said:
Even though "pretty much no one pays full price" for Harvard, the fact still remains you could pay that much where as the ceiling for Oxford is much lower.

I am not sure what the point about overseas student costing more (your £15-20k reference), thought I was comparing students from their respective countries going to school in their country.

I am sure any graduate from both Harvard and Oxford will be rewarded for their hard work, that's not really the point I was trying to make.

The point is Oxford tuition fee is less.
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Oxford is cheaper at list price, but not many pay list price at Harvard so that is really not a realistic comparison. Those with the ability but without the finances to go to Harvard wont pay the list price, those that can afford may pay the list price but it is kind of irrelevant.

The point I was making about earning potential was not to compare Oxford at all, but to highlight that the debts incurred doing a degree should be viewed as an investment. In which case the absolute cost of the degree is meaningless- what really maters is 10-20 years down the line did you gain financially from have that degree- paying $200K may lead to an additional 1million earned over 10-20 years making an excellent return on investment.

The exact same applies to the UK, a Student with 40K debt but with a a 50K starting salary in Aberdeen oil engineering is in a better position than someone earning 20K without a degree in a low-skill job somewhere, who is still better than a student with a useless degree and 40K debt doing to same 20K job as the unskilled laborer.

A degree is an investment, if the returns exceed the investment significantly then it is a wise decision.
 
I'm one of those people, who infact feels a tad jealous over american's/australians.
I just love the whole different culture.. The size and scale of things isnt anything on par with britain.

Just the fact of living in america you could road trip it anywhere
 
Britain isn't all that tbh. Yes, we have some lovely countryside and some great stodgy food. But beyond that? I'd move to Canada in a heartbeat if I could emigrate their permanently.

My current plan though is to move to Barcelona once my parents (and my partners parents) are no longer around. So much nicer, friendlier, cleaner and warmer than anywhere in this country.
 
D.P. said:
Not really because it is a meaningless apples and oranges comparison.
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You are just incapable of giving a yes/no answer even if asked a straight forward question.

I am not asking how much a student pay (unless you have a study across every student in the US on how much they pay after deduction on all the grants/sponsorships blah etc what not and show me some real data that they spend less than £9,000 - which i believe is the maximum in Oxford.).

Tuition fee (and tuition fee only) from Oxford is less than that from Harvard.

Yes or no.
 
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easyrider said:
Its not really though is it? Its taking out of your salary...If you don't earn over a certain threshold you don't start paying it back then its written off.

In most cases graduates who are on decent money don't notice it from their income. As they are already in a position to apply for graduate jobs and graduate salaries.

People scare monger and noobs feel the need to pay it off as quickly as possible. When in fact this is the last thing you should be doing.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/student-loans-tuition-fees-changes
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Money just grows on trees and it's only chocolate buttons. Debt is debt and money is money.

mrbell1984 said:
To which a lot of people think this amount of debt is OK. This is before a mortgage or a car is owned. :(
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Raymond Lin said:
You are just incapable of giving a yes/no answer even if asked a straight forward question.

I am not asking how much a student pay (unless you have a study across every student in the US on how much they pay after deduction on all the grants/sponsorships blah etc what not and show me some real data that they spend less than £9,000 - which i believe is the maximum in Oxford.).

Tuition fee (and tuition fee only) from Oxford is less than that from Harvard.

Yes or no.
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If you want a yes/no answer to a question which doesn't deserve a yes/no response then fine.

Not least the advertised prices in US schools includes accommodation, full board and other expenses that in the UK you pay separately for.

The Answer is yes, the advertised price of Oxford tuition is less than the full advertised price of Oxford. But who cares.
 
easyrider said:
If any of you lot won the lottery say 20 million. And you had to choose one property in one location...where would it be?

Would you pick Surrey? :p
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This:

http://www.nestseekers.com/63816/400-5th-avenue-midtowneast-world-classic-address-on-fifth-ave-in

This:

http://www.trulia.com/property/3114172740-1422-Devlin-Dr-Los-Angeles-CA-90069

That view!

And this:

http://www.lasvegascondomania.com/info/displayCondo.php?mls=1227083

I realise that is three, but I do not care.

I'll keep wishing. :(
 
Not all but nearly every other country looks like it's 40 years ahead of Britain with their landmarks. Futuristic, yet ours nearly always looks prehistoric.
 
D.P. said:
If you want a yes/no answer to a question which doesn't deserve a yes/no response then fine.

Not least the advertised prices in US schools includes accommodation, full board and other expenses that in the UK you pay separately for.

The Answer is yes, the advertised price of Oxford tuition is less than the full advertised price of Oxford. But who cares.
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http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/financial_aid/cost.html

I know £9,000 fee from Oxford does not include room/board but the $38,891 figure includes room and board and other expenses???!

At no point I was referring to their $60k figure, I said, quite clearly - Tuition fee (and tuition fee only).

and it seems if you want to make home made sausages, stay in the UK. :p
 
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I think we do alright here, and I like it here.

I would like to live in a couple of other countries, but that's more a case of thinking that I'd like the variety, it's more because they're different than that I imagine they're better.

I think I was pretty lucky to have been born here and would have been much less fortunate if I'd been born in most other countries.

Of course it's not perfect but where is?
 
Raymond Lin said:
Oxford fees

http://www.ox.ac.uk/feesandfunding/fees/information/universityrates/201314feerates/

Harvard fees (ignore living expenses)

http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/financial_aid/cost.html

And do you pay upfront for Harvard?
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Oxford rates are interesting.

41K for a MBA in Business Administration
57k for a EMBA in Business Administration

Both are for 1 year.

Both have no reduction for being a UK citizen.

I'm intrigued.

Courses for people already in a 6 figure job looking for a larger 6 figure job?
 
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