Summer Transfer Window 2013/2014 aka Arsenal , we can afford folks and the mancs really want Fellani

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Moses said:
You say no good backup for Rafael... but you have no good backup for Evra, either :confused:. Then, with RB, Jones/Smalling can play there, and you have that Varela guy... or is he out on loan?

Both Jones and Smalling are centre backs, neither have the ability going forward that is required by a modern full back. Varela has never played, most suggestions seem to say a loan is happening.

At Centre back don't you have ENGLAND FUTURE PAIRING/CAPTAINS™ in Smalling and Jones? Then Evans who every Manyoo fan seems to rave about (and he has been pretty good in the last year, or however long).

Yep, but the number of times we've been left short there over the last few seasons tells me it's still a problem position. Jones and Smalling are both backup right backs, Jones is sometimes in midfield. We're stretched too thin.

Midfield - well reportedly you also bid for Fellaini. So they haven't prioritised a LB over a MF... they've bid for both. And I'd wager they're more keen on a MF, given the previous reported interest in Thiago and Fabregas. Then that Januzaj lad could be featuring a fair bit, this year.

Januzaj is used more as a wide player, he's closer to a kagawa than a deeper midfielder. I'm sure we're interested, but we're going about it in a very half arsed way.

Wings - what if Nani's future is certain, to them? Perhaps they've worked it out behind the scenes and know what the score is. Yes Valencia and Young have been poor, but are they ready for the scrap heap?

Then we need to get him signing a new contract. Scrap heap? No, but I'd say this season is the last chance for both of them. Valencia has looked poor in charity shield and league but I really hope he can remember what a winger is supposed to be doing because he used to be terrific :(

Srikers - you still have Welbeck/Hernández/RVP. Then that Henríquez who could get a chance.

3 strikers is not enough for a team that regularly has 2 on the pitch. Welbeck is just an uncertainty, can he gain that clinical touch in front of goal regularly? Good start to this season so hopefully he can push on and fulfill his potential. Henriquez is a complete unknown, he's played one friendly and no competitive matches, he may go out on loan again.

So, it's still arguable that LB is your weakest position, in terms of depth.

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cm1179 said:
like who else?

AVB has been interested in willian for far longer than liverpool. levy met with him or his agent in january. there's even a rumour he was a guest of AVB's at our new training ground.
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Dempsey not that he worked out anyway, siggurdsen time will tell With him, I'm not botherd as nothing is official anyway but does appear to be a trend with you lot
 
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cm1179 said:
liverpool would offer higher wages imo but i still think spurs would be willing to pay him £100k p/w. he is a fan of london so that works in our favour and he's pals with AVB.
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I initially thought we'd offer him more wages but according to the Times article, Spurs believed they'd lost out on him on Friday but are now back in the race. What's changed between Friday and now? I can only think that Spurs have improved their offer.
 
Moses said:
So they don't count in the right back tally.

But they're back up right backs.

Okay.

They're not good there, but that's where we're currently using them. Hence if we lose Smalling to injury we lose both a backup right back and centre back.

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Five good centre backs isn't enough? How many do you want? Five isn't such a small number that it's in need of more urgent strengthening than LB?

Okay

Well it clearly isn't as we've had to resort to playing Carrick there due to injuries!
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Well, if this is there last chance, shirley you can't just sign replacements now? You need to give them a chance, then sign someone if they fail this year, no?

Yes, but it's a risk. We're going into a season with 4 payers covering 2 positions, 2 of them are playing poorly, 1 is possibly leaving and the other is completely unproven. We currently have no reliable, quality wingers
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What if you have three strikers (plus the fourth I listed...) but instead of playing two (RVP and Rooney)... you played RVP with Kagawa behind? Isn't that where Manyoo fans want him to play? :confused:

Yes, many want that. However, as none of us are picking the team, until Moyes actually does it it's purely a pipedream.
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atpbx said:
David Moyes, possibly the only man you could give an "unlimited" budget to, and the best he can deliver so far is nobody at all.
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What unlimited budget?

All anyone has ever said is that we will look to strengthen.

We aren't arsenal, jumping the gun and saying we have a tonne of money to spend and then doing nothing.
 
BaZ87 said:
I initially thought we'd offer him more wages but according to the Times article, Spurs believed they'd lost out on him on Friday but are now back in the race. What's changed between Friday and now? I can only think that Spurs have improved their offer.
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Course they have, location and a friendship with AVB means nothing. This is the guy that moved from CL football to a 'no mark' team for cash. It's all about who offers him more money.
 
Newbie007 said:
Course they have, location and a friendship with AVB means nothing. This is the guy that moved from CL football to a 'no mark' team for cash. It's all about who offers him more money.
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Yes and No. Weren't Shaktar pretty much refusing to sell him to anyone for a couple of seasons other than Anzhi as they were the only ones who would pay silly money? Willian was desperate to get out and probably saw it as a bit of a stepping stone.
 
The Running Man said:
Why on earth are we going for Baines abd fellaini now? Why not 2 months ago so that they could have been part of our pre season? So why bid now? It makes no sense at all
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Moyes is going down the list, we started with Ronaldo, then Fabregas and now Baines/Fellaini. I think Ibra was thrown into mix at some point as well. :/
 
The Running Man said:
Why on earth are we going for Baines abd fellaini now? Why not 2 months ago so that they could have been part of our pre season? So why bid now? It makes no sense at all
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Because we were making derisory bids for Fabregas at the time. We must be going for targets that the media hasn't picked up yet or this window has been ridiculous. We have only tried to get Fabregas and a few throwaway bids on Baines.

Moyes had better not just throw £30m at Fellaini near deadline day. I would rather not sign anyone if we have to pay more than £20m odd for Fellaini. He won't improve the side much so what is the point. His £23m release clause wasn't met because no one was willing to pay that. Therefore his value to other clubs is less than that.
 
BaZ87 said:
I initially thought we'd offer him more wages but according to the Times article, Spurs believed they'd lost out on him on Friday but are now back in the race. What's changed between Friday and now? I can only think that Spurs have improved their offer.
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Newbie007 said:
Course they have, location and a friendship with AVB means nothing. This is the guy that moved from CL football to a 'no mark' team for cash. It's all about who offers him more money.
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Jano said:
Yes and No. Weren't Shaktar pretty much refusing to sell him to anyone for a couple of seasons other than Anzhi as they were the only ones who would pay silly money? Willian was desperate to get out and probably saw it as a bit of a stepping stone.
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From what the Mirror is saying today its more a case of we're offering Anzhi more money, not Willian. And I'm more inclined to believe that because we go for a stricter wage structure and then spend more on getting the player.
 
Jano said:
Yes and No. Weren't Shaktar pretty much refusing to sell him to anyone for a couple of seasons other than Anzhi as they were the only ones who would pay silly money? Willian was desperate to get out and probably saw it as a bit of a stepping stone.
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No, when Shaktar sold him Anzi offered more than Spurs. He is only leaving Anzi now as their whole squad is transfer listed. If he goes to spurs it's because they offered him more money, if he chooses us it's be because we offered more money.
 
fez said:
Because we were making derisory bids for Fabregas at the time. We must be going for targets that the media hasn't picked up yet or this window has been ridiculous. We have only tried to get Fabregas and a few throwaway bids on Baines.

Moyes had better not just throw £30m at Fellaini near deadline day. I would rather not sign anyone if we have to pay more than £20m odd for Fellaini. He won't improve the side much so what is the point. His £23m release clause wasn't met because no one was willing to pay that. Therefore his value to other clubs is less than that.
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But didn't we know we weren't getting fabregas like 2-3 weeks ago are they on slo mo at old Trafford. I can see the stadium from my work window now I might pop down at lunch and ask why ?!

also I never knew that fabregas played the same position as fellaini could we not have bid for more than one player at the same time? Wouldn't we have been stronger in position fir fellaini when he still had his release clause in place?
 
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atpbx said:
David Moyes, possibly the only man you could give an "unlimited" budget to, and the best he can deliver so far is nobody at all.
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I'm sorry which negotiation is he actually doing once he has told the club his targets? It's not the best he can deliver is it. Once he's selected his targets it's up to others at the club to be able to deliver them or not.
 
fez said:
Because we were making derisory bids for Fabregas at the time. We must be going for targets that the media hasn't picked up yet or this window has been ridiculous. We have only tried to get Fabregas and a few throwaway bids on Baines.

Moyes had better not just throw £30m at Fellaini near deadline day. I would rather not sign anyone if we have to pay more than £20m odd for Fellaini. He won't improve the side much so what is the point. His £23m release clause wasn't met because no one was willing to pay that. Therefore his value to other clubs is less than that.
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IF we get Fellaini our aerial game will be so dominate. Rio, Vidic and then Fellaini. Teams won't be able to handle that. Plus, we do need some height in midfield and the third of the pitch.
 
Arsenal and Wenger are in dream land.

They need to reevaluate their priorities. We should NOT be aiming to win the league! Becuase this clouds wengers judgement on what the squad needs. He thinks we ALREADY have a squad good enough and just need 1 or 2 (in his words) top top quality additions.

This is simply untrue.

We need to raise the quality and depth of the SQUAD first. It's nice to sing players of Higuain, Suarez's quality, but there are cheaper players avialble to can bring something to the first team and squad which we would be better of chasing.

I like Wenger as a manager, but I wont be sad the day he say's he has had enough and it's time to leave. Maybe what we need is to freshen up the ideas at management level.

And it's true Gazidis has done NOTHING!!!

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As a side note, I think Michu would be a good addition. He seems clinical from a advanced attacking midfield role, and would offer us depth and another option. Also if you notice, he is nothing like what we are used to, he isnt pacy and he is tall, which is quite a departure from the usual profile of an Arsenal player.

I would be happy with the singing of Ashley Williams and Michu from Swansea.
 
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