Rolf Harris arrested on sexual charges

"A person who either downloads images on to disc or who prints them off is making them."

There's your answer then, viewing them on a browser like Neil said wouldn't land you under this offence.
 
Suarez7 said:
"A person who either downloads images on to disc or who prints them off is making them."

There's your answer then, viewing them on a browser like Neil said wouldn't land you under this offence.
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Only if that browser does not save the images it is downloading to disc while displaying them to the viewer. People have been successfully prosecuted for the contents of their browser cache before.
 
spoffle said:
Do you judge everything based on whether it happened to you or not?

What a bizarre and pretendland way to look at the world.
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Hey like most I learn form my experiences that's how life works so far as I'm aware but as I say mine is an opinion you all jumping on the he's clearly guilty wagon are just as bad with yours we still have yet to see the trail/proof solid circumstantial or otherwise and yet you seem to think because the charges have been filed that he's guilty. In my opinion it seems unlikely but you may have reasons to believe otherwise besides you've not said why it is you're inclined to believe his alleged Victims.
 
Haha, I love the way the OcUK collective have decided being a nice guy makes him more likely to be guilty. In fact many posters like HurfDurf couldn't really care whether he's guilty or not, it would make his 'victims' happy if we throw him in jail, so lets do that. Innocent until proven guilty is such a drag, isn't it...

Stay classy, OcUK.
 
skyripper said:
Only if that browser does not save the images it is downloading to disc while displaying them to the viewer. People have been successfully prosecuted for the contents of their browser cache before.
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Fair enough but I don't think this will be just a case of a few cached facebook images like Neil said.
 
Suarez7 said:
"A person who either downloads images on to disc or who prints them off is making them."

There's your answer then, viewing them on a browser like Neil said wouldn't land you under this offence.
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skyripper has beaten me to it but if you think you can look at a picture and close the browser and you're clean then you're wrong.

Even if you format and rebuild your PC, they'll scan your drive, recover a jail bait photo from facebook or reddit and throw the book at you.
 
The Dread Pirate said:
Hey like most I learn form my experiences that's how life works so far as I'm aware but as I say mine is an opinion you all jumping on the he's clearly guilty wagon are just as bad with yours we still have yet to see the trail/proof solid circumstantial or otherwise and yet you seem to think because the charges have been filed that he's guilty. In my opinion it seems unlikely but you may have reasons to believe otherwise besides you've not said why it is you're inclined to believe his alleged Victims.
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I don't recall expressing my opinion on his guilt, so how do you know what my opinion is?
 
spoffle said:
I don't recall expressing my opinion on his guilt, so how do you know what my opinion is?
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I wasn't necessarily talking about you. the part answering your question is at the top of my post. How do you live your life do you ignore your experiences with something so long as there's a differing opinion to what you've experienced or do you perhaps learn from those experiences?;)
 
robgmun said:
skyripper has beaten me to it but if you think you can look at a picture and close the browser and you're clean then you're wrong.

Even if you format and rebuild your PC, they'll scan your drive, recover a jail bait photo from facebook or reddit and throw the book at you.
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It's a bit more complicated than that, how do they know who was using the browser at the time? Some browsers don't store images, then there's the world of VPN's and Proxy's, IP spoofing.

Also if it gets to the point of them scanning your drive, I think you've done something a little more than click on a facebook photo.
 
The Dread Pirate said:
I wasn't necessarily talking about you. the part answering your question is at the top of my post. How do you live your life do you ignore your experiences with something so long as there's a differing opinion to what you've experienced or do you perhaps learn from those experiences?;)
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That's not the same as dismissing things based on the fact that you haven't experienced it. That's a very broken way to look at things, which indicates a strong lack of maturity in the way you perceive the world.
 
spoffle said:
That's not the same as dismissing things based on the fact that you haven't experienced it. That's a very broken way to look at things, which indicates a strong lack of maturity in the way you perceive the world.
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Hey fairplay to each their own! I just try to enjoy life and roll with the punches I've made it to 27 have a job a mortgage a pension and I'm not struggling to live so I'd say I'm mature enough to survive thus far... tbh I was surprised to make it beyond 20. Either way what I've stated is my opinion and until we have solid facts and a verdict all we've got to go on is supposition and media spin hence I'd rather believe my experience over the media... I'll leave you to continue throwing your toys out the pram at my ignorance, stupidity, lack of maturity but know this I'm enjoying a happy comfortable life and tbh am not too fussed about your opinion!
 
Charged, not convicted and if the article is to be believed they were all 14-15, it's not like he went around molesting pre-teens so wait for him to actually be convicted of anything before you decide your memories have been shattered.

hurfdurf said:
Part of rape culture is this insistence to deny that rape ever occurs and that rapists are innocent men trapped by evil women, because nice men couldn't possibly rape, only bad people rape.
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Only bad people do rape, if someone has actually committed rape then they are not a good person. Actual rape mind you, not statutory because someone was 15 and said they were 16. For the record not saying that's what happened in Rolf's case.
 
There are definitely all sort of technical tricks and techniques both viewers and detectives can use. What is more concerning for the average joe is that you can be done for the contents of your cache which you may not even have had anything to do with. All sorts of programs and malware can use your browser to connect and download stuff if you have them.
 
skyripper said:
There are definitely all sort of technical tricks and techniques both viewers and detectives can use. What is more concerning for the average joe is that you can be done for the contents of your cache which you may not even have had anything to do with. All sorts of programs and malware can use your browser to connect and download stuff if you have them.
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I've never heard of a case like this, but that's interesting to know.
 
skyripper said:
There are definitely all sort of technical tricks and techniques both viewers and detectives can use. What is more concerning for the average joe is that you can be done for the contents of your cache which you may not even have had anything to do with. All sorts of programs and malware can use your browser to connect and download stuff if you have them.
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I remember reading of a local case of a guy that had downloaded indecent images of boys and he got away with it because he claimed he was just surfing for regular gay porn and he never realised that he had downloaded underage stuff. They said they couldn't prove whether he had actually intentionally downloaded illegal stuff so thats why he got away with it.
So I doubt they could prove it was you purely by your cache, popups etc etc.
 
Tombo said:
Charged, not convicted and if the article is to be believed they were all 14-15, it's not like he went around molesting pre-teens so wait for him to actually be convicted of anything before you decide your memories have been shattered.


Only bad people do rape, if someone has actually committed rape then they are not a good person. Actual rape mind you, not statutory because someone was 15 and said they were 16. For the record not saying that's what happened in Rolf's case.
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From what the news reported Rolf has been charged with 9 counts of indecent assault, which I think someone informed us on another thread is over the clothes stuff, whereas sexual assult is under the clothes stuff.
2 girls.
The first one age 15 and 16, assaulted 6 times, 31 years ago.
The second girl assault 3 times, about 26 years ago, I think it said she was 14 at the time.

Then 4 charges of making an indecent image of a child, LAST YEAR!
I am not quite sure how they define an indecent image of a child, and I don't think ages were mentioned, but last year, this is after the Saville revelations, this is after everything else came to light and the police were investigating everything. If proven true, then that utterly damning. No way of claiming I didn't know here age, I didn't think it was wrong, it was the times, everyone did it, all that sort of ^&*( used in defence.
Unless its his grandchild or great grandchild I don't see just WTF would an 82 year old man be doing in any sort of a position to make pictures of a child indecently. Utter madness.
 
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