Possible Death Penalty for Drug Smuggling Housewife
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Read the book 'The Damage Done', trust me, the sort of countries that have the death penalty have far far worse prisons. Death is the easy way out in those sort of countries.
Its not so much about the direct consequences of the actual drug use, but more about what comes with it. the reason these countries are so harsh on drug crime is to try and stop the arrival of the associated culture. The organised crime, the junkies, the overall drug related issues that come with the industry itself.
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That much is clear yes.
But is it stopping the true cause of the drugs and drugs trade if you give the real culprits a much lesser sentence.... No.
Of course you could argue that the "Mules" are the real culprits.
It is fashionable in the west to regard the "Mules" as victims, but in truth they are the key to the entire business. No Mules, No smuggling, No trade!
Perhaps the Indonesians are going for the simple message
"International cartels, Take your business elsewhere. Mules, If you are caught you will be executed!"
The real question is how effective is the policy??
Mules tend to be coerced, stupid or desperate.
I see no reason why they should take the greater proportion of the blame/punishment.
Besides, the death penalty is nothing more than a barbaric solution put forward by idiots & support by people alike.
I see no reason why they should take the greater proportion of the blame/punishment.
Besides, the death penalty is nothing more than a barbaric solution put forward by idiots & support by people alike.
Sorry, but I've got to beg to differ.
If you get bet all you have on a 50/50, you are either going to end up bankrupt, which is an incredible risk, or end up with more than you had, which is reward.
In that instance, the odds don't dictate the risk solely, the fact that you are betting everything is what shoots the risk up.
she can raise the funds playing FoxyBingo for all I care, she is old school at this thing, she knew the punishment if she committed the crime, she made that choice.
do I want her to die? no, but she wont, she will get a last minute reprieve from the boss man.
ps: so glad again I have Jason2 on my ignore list
do I want her to die? no, but she wont, she will get a last minute reprieve from the boss man.
ps: so glad again I have Jason2 on my ignore list
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Indeed, as expected.
This is the same country that takes all drug dealers out to the forest and shots them in the head.
She will most likely have the same fate, unless they can bring new evidence, and with her admittance of guilt, and the amount involved, and her complete lack of concern or sorrow, she will be killed.
It is quite clear when travelling anywhere in South East Asia, DEATH TO DRUG TRAFFIKERS is written on every visa document in large letters, and then announce it on every flight.
You chase the dragon you get burned. You buy and sell the dragon you get shot in the head.
A direct presidential appeal is possible, but unlikely to work. Most people there have the view, you get what you deserve, the common man has zero sympathy for this woman.
This is the same country that takes all drug dealers out to the forest and shots them in the head.
She will most likely have the same fate, unless they can bring new evidence, and with her admittance of guilt, and the amount involved, and her complete lack of concern or sorrow, she will be killed.
It is quite clear when travelling anywhere in South East Asia, DEATH TO DRUG TRAFFIKERS is written on every visa document in large letters, and then announce it on every flight.
You chase the dragon you get burned. You buy and sell the dragon you get shot in the head.
A direct presidential appeal is possible, but unlikely to work. Most people there have the view, you get what you deserve, the common man has zero sympathy for this woman.
But would UK threaten some sort of sanctions against Bali if they don't drop the death penalty? Also, apparently she was targeted by drug traffickers who "exploited her vulnerability and made threats against her children".
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Why on Earth would we bother to do such a thing?
Bali isn't a country btw, the country is Indonesia, a country of 240Million people. Bali is one island within that nation.
They don't care about one drug smuggler who didn't bother to say sorry during her trial or look contrite.
Bali isn't a country btw, the country is Indonesia, a country of 240Million people. Bali is one island within that nation.
They don't care about one drug smuggler who didn't bother to say sorry during her trial or look contrite.
It's not really as expected though is it?
The prosecution weren't pushing for a death penalty, which is why it was such a huge shock to everyone. Further to that, the other people involved, who were far more culpable as dealers than a mule, were all given prison sentences, which aren't that long in the grand scheme of things.
Of course its their country and you need to abide by the rules, but it seems the way justice is being handed out is unbalanced.
I'd imagine her only hope left now of being spared of execution is as to whether she is on death row long enough that perhaps she is given a pardon, especially given that she isn't a citizen and it won't go down well with our government if they execute one of our citizens.
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Well I shouldn't worry what our government actually think. If Milliband has his way he'll want to see evidence of her head on a plate before he'll get upset or contemplate being a bit chuffing annoyed about the whole affair.
It was a shock initially, but that was 100% the woman defendants fault, potentially that of her legal counsel.
When Bali was bombed, the terrorists who caused it laughed joked and made fun of the entire trial, knowing they would be found guilty, and in some cases believed heaven awaited them.
The trail mocked the legal system there, and the Balinese people took a very long time to recover, the economy suffered the people suffer (Hindi people on that Island) It was years before they had a mass burning burial which in their minds cast out the bad days of old.
They legal system didn't take kindly to this woman mocking them and showing absolute contempt, as she thought her sentence had been decided and no sorrow was required.
Wrong place to play the fat headed idiot who doesn't care what those little foreign judges do. A pardon might happen, her death is her own fault, at so many levels.
Don't **** off and already ****ed off legal establishment. Mockery gets you shot in the head in the jungle.
It was a shock initially, but that was 100% the woman defendants fault, potentially that of her legal counsel.
When Bali was bombed, the terrorists who caused it laughed joked and made fun of the entire trial, knowing they would be found guilty, and in some cases believed heaven awaited them.
The trail mocked the legal system there, and the Balinese people took a very long time to recover, the economy suffered the people suffer (Hindi people on that Island) It was years before they had a mass burning burial which in their minds cast out the bad days of old.
They legal system didn't take kindly to this woman mocking them and showing absolute contempt, as she thought her sentence had been decided and no sorrow was required.
Wrong place to play the fat headed idiot who doesn't care what those little foreign judges do. A pardon might happen, her death is her own fault, at so many levels.
Don't **** off and already ****ed off legal establishment. Mockery gets you shot in the head in the jungle.
Are you so unbalanced you have to try to have a pop at Labour in a thread which has absolutely nothing to do with them?.
Really does highlight quite a strong bias on your part.