Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy? - Final version (honest!)

[Quinnaay]

If you get wound up by people pointing out how wrong you are you must be in a hulk like rage all the time? .

Imagine listening to him on COD or Fifa

 

[Davey_Pitch]

If you get wound up by people pointing out how wrong you are you must be in a hulk like rage all the time? .

Ooooh, you're brave

Git

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Imagine listening to him on COD or Fifa

Heh, I don't play COD any more, and I silently rage on Fifa

 

[Craterloads]

The ability to resell my games and share with 10 friends was a stonkingly pro consumer compromise between protecting developers and customers and needed some kind of DRM to prevent ridiculous abuse.

Not sure that was ever confirmed or explained in detail, as makes absolutely no sense for the developers or for MS. Probably be worse off than having used games.

 

[Tummy]

I disagree to an extent. All it took was the ability to play a game offline contingent on having a disc in the drive to fine tune it, otherwise it certainly wasn't anti consumer outside of some internet headlines. The ability to resell my games and share with 10 friends was a stonkingly pro consumer compromise between protecting developers and customers and needed some kind of DRM to prevent ridiculous abuse.

Lets not forget Sony aren't exactly guiltless with the whole rootkit thing in the past and that publishers are continue to be free to use DRM on both PS3 and PS4, Sony just don't (as far as we know) provide the framework. If you look at their media film and music business they are hardly champions of the DRM free pro sharing IP movement, they just very cleverly let MS take the bullet and saw an opportunity.

I think the crux of the issue could have come down to offline play, why not have a Steam like approach? well sort of.

You buy a game, either disc or digitally, install it to your HDD on your console, and then you can either register it online (and get the relevant updates) or just play in an offline mode, with only the single player game available, if not online for a while, but don't force people to have an internet connection or punish them for not having a stable on ect ect, blah, I don't know.

 

[ps3ud0]

If MS ever show some signs of backtracking (again) and going back towards their original policies it'll be a more relevant argument to have then

Id hate to ask, but will that mean a new poll if they do? . Pretty sure that fulfills your criteria

See if you say no, thats kinda a 180 (I am messing, but I do think every new IP release needs a poll forthwith!)

ps3ud0

 

[Tummy]

Imagine listening to him on COD or Fifa

I don't really play CoD, CoD 4 on xbox (while brilliant) the whining annoyed me and ruined the game, so I stopped playing, although, fond memories of bumping in to hilariously drunk Scottish guys treating it like an actual war .

I love FIFA / Pro Evo and love how rage educing it can be .

Drunken nights in with loads of friends and food for a FIFA comp can often turn very ugly haha.

I honestly don't really get annoyed at games, online or offline, I'm far too chilled out.

 

[Tummy]

Id hate to ask, but will that mean a new poll if they do? . Pretty sure that fulfills your criteria

See if you say no, thats kinda a 180 (I am messing, but I do think every new IP release needs a poll forthwith!)

ps3ud0

 

[Macro]

Not sure that was ever confirmed or explained in detail, as makes absolutely no sense for the developers or for MS. Probably be worse off than having used games.

Yeah, they clarified it (all over the place, http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-lets-you-share-your-games-with-up-to-10-famil-511767763 for example) although it took a while to explain "family" could be anyone.

By the time they got it clear it was too late and the damage was done, hence the "PR **** up".

 

[Craterloads]

I think the crux of the issue could have come down to offline play, why not have a Steam like approach? well sort of.

You buy a game, either disc or digitally, install it to your HDD on your console, and then you can either register it online (and get the relevant updates) or just play in an offline mode, with only the single player game available, if not online for a while, but don't force people to have an internet connection or punish them for not having a stable on ect ect, blah, I don't know.

Price of games is also an issue not mentioned, one of the reasons Steam is accepted is the cheap price of games. Even new releases can be had for £30.

I would not like to be forced to pay £55 for games via PSN or Live, games I could buy for £40 at retail.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Id hate to ask, but will that mean a new poll if they do? . Pretty sure that fulfills your criteria

See if you say no, thats kinda a 180 (I am messing, but I do think every new IP release needs a poll forthwith!)

ps3ud0

Lol, you're all lucky I have a sense of humour and don't mind you lot taking the pee out of me

 

[Quinnaay]

Serious thought though, will the games be ported to one an other and which will be the main console they write for? sure i heard PS4 was easiest console to code since the PS2 or something..

 

[Macro]

I think the crux of the issue could have come down to offline play, why not have a Steam like approach? well sort of.

You buy a game, either disc or digitally, install it to your HDD on your console, and then you can either register it online (and get the relevant updates) or just play in an offline mode, with only the single player game available, if not online for a while, but don't force people to have an internet connection or punish them for not having a stable on ect ect, blah, I don't know.

I agree, which in my head would have been simply solved by insisting on having to use the disc for offline play, or just not being able to play, or share games without an online log in. It wouldn't have taken much to make it a workable + for gamers.

 

[Suarez7]

Tummy and Craterloads just can't keep stum can they. Told to stop it and yet they still continue to try and bait people. Absolute *****

 

[mark_t50]

This time round I've finally changed from 'PS4 Only' to 'getting both' on launch day.

I'm glad in a way, I might be knocking on a bit now, but I'm still a kid at heart and this would have been the first time since the days of the Megadrive v's SNES that I wouldn't have just got both machines. I've always been fortunate enough to be able to afford all the gaming systems that come out and I think it would have felt weird not picking up the XboxOne on launch day.

I'm glad MS changed their policies on everything, moving forward I'm still angry about what they tried to do, and I'm very wary about them trying to bring certain things back, so I'll probably still use the PS4 for purchasing all cross platform titles and just get a small number of exclusives on the XboxOne, but the gamer in me is glad I'll get to play the likes of Dead Rising 3 and Forza 5

 

[XeNoN89]

I disagree, but I feel it's a pointless debate right now. If MS ever show some signs of backtracking (again) and going back towards their original policies it'll be a more relevant argument to have then

I agree, it's getting a bit too much like 'ifs and buts' now

At the end of the day, the policies have been reversed for the best, regardless of why they were reversed.

I disagree to an extent. All it took was the ability to play a game offline contingent on having a disc in the drive to fine tune it, otherwise it certainly wasn't anti consumer outside of some internet headlines. The ability to resell my games and share with 10 friends was a stonkingly pro consumer compromise between protecting developers and customers and needed some kind of DRM to prevent ridiculous abuse.

Lets not forget Sony aren't exactly guiltless with the whole rootkit thing in the past and that publishers are continue to be free to use DRM on both PS3 and PS4, Sony just don't (as far as we know) provide the framework. If you look at their media film and music business they are hardly champions of the DRM free pro sharing IP movement, they just very cleverly let MS take the bullet and saw an opportunity.

The whole online only thing wasn't so bad, it was just too early for it. They were going to miss 10's of millions of consumers by going this route. I'm sure i read that something like 30million 360's have NEVER been online.

My main issue was the whole game sharing/DRM thing. This was going to be really bad, and didn't the whole game sharing thing get found out to be almost a lie anyway. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that after all the policy reversals it was discovered that the sharing originally meant that they could play a copy of your game for an hour before getting locked out, and so it was more like giving away a short demo rather than sharing the full game?


Also I agree Sony haven't exactly been angels in the past, however they've never done stuff like this in the games industry, even when they screwed up initially with the PS3

 

[ps3ud0]

Lol, you're all lucky I have a sense of humour and don't mind you lot taking the pee out of me

Was that a yes or no, do I need to speak to your PR?

Grab a seat Im here all night

Tummy and Craterloads just can't keep stum can they. Told to stop it and yet they still continue to try and bait people. Absolute *****

Calm done mate, I think you need to realise who can get away with banter and with whom. You seem very uptight, only 2 more games to go!

EDIT: We really should have a console banter thread

ps3ud0

 

[Craterloads]

Yeah, they clarified it (all over the place, http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-lets-you-share-your-games-with-up-to-10-famil-511767763 for example) although it took a while to explain "family" could be anyone.

By the time they got it clear it was too late and the damage was done, hence the "PR **** up".

Not really sure that would class as clarified as even the article is full of presumptions and questions itself.

And If I remember correctly this info came out after they scrapped all the plans, so they could have pretty much said anything at that point. I still find it hard to believe they would let you share your games with 10 random people, making it easier and free for people to play games without paying when compared to used games,

 

[Tummy]

Price of games is also an issue not mentioned, one of the reasons Steam is accepted is the cheap price of games. Even new releases can be had for £30.

I would not like to be forced to pay £55 for games via PSN or Live, games I could buy for £40 at retail.

I don't think it's much of an issue, you can already see the prices of games dropping. I've previously mentioned FIFA, it was £60 when I pre ordered, then £55, £47 and now I'm sure it was a bit lower.

Lol, you're all lucky I have a sense of humour and don't mind you lot taking the pee out of me

You're just too used to it .

Tummy and Craterloads just can't keep stum can they. Told to stop it and yet they still continue to try and bait people. Absolute *****

This is hilarious and cute :3.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

My main issue was the whole game sharing/DRM thing. This was going to be really bad, and didn't the whole game sharing thing get found out to be almost a lie anyway. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that after all the policy reversals it was discovered that the sharing originally meant that they could play a copy of your game for an hour before getting locked out, and so it was more like giving away a short demo rather than sharing the full game?

They were unconfirmed rumours that only surfaced after the policies had changed. Everything official from MS pointed towards the sharing of the full game and not a demo, though it was never confirmed 100% how it would have worked.