Why PC Gaming is Surging

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 19:36

jamiehavok said:
In the words of AMD senior product marketing manager Marc Diana in an interview with The Verge in June, "We're struggling to find a name for what used to be called porting, because there's not really a problem with that anymore." (In fact, several developers showed demos of their Xbox One and PS4 games on the PC at E3 rather than on the devices themselves.) It's so easy, in fact, that some of the next generation titles may actually come to the PC first as a result, and so this happy arrangement begs the question: why get a console at all?

if this is the case whats to stop someone "cracking" a ps4 and xbox one game to get it to work on a pc?

The porting thing never really existed anyway. The only time something is really ported is when a game is developed specifically for a console, and then the game engine itself is "ported" to work in a PC environment. The games themselves aren't ported, they are just compiled for different platforms and shipped with differing assets.

Which brings me on to the next part, what's stopping people from "cracking" a PS4 or Xbox One game is that they will have been compiled to work in the PS4 and Xbox One environments.

Despite them both being x86-64, it doesn't directly mean that the software is directly compatible. You just have to look at Linux/OSX to see the comparison there. For the most part you can't get native OSX/Windows applications working on the other platform without access to the source code so that you can compile a version that is for the specific platform.

Sho · 6 Sep 2013 at 19:39

First pc gaming is dying. Now Pc gaming is booming?

Ok

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 19:39

Omaeka said:
Yep, consoles sell a lot more than pre-built PCs, but they don't outsell individual GPUs. Go look it up. Intel/Nvidia/AMD sell more products than Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft, hence why the console companies report losses whilst the PC companies report large profits.

GPUs aren't used just for games. There are many industries that require a crap load of GPUs from AMD/nVidia that aren't related to games playing.

You can't look at individual GPU sales and equate them being PC gamers.

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 19:43

Sho said:
First pc gaming is dying. Now Pc gaming is booming?

Ok

PC gaming never really was dying. The issue was that for some bizarre reason a load of publishers were just not counting digital sales.

So any sales numbers you'd see, and what they would act on and produce reports with were always sans digital sales, despite the digital sales being quite a large chunk.

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 20:45

spoffle said:
GPUs aren't used just for games. There are many industries that require a crap load of GPUs from AMD/nVidia that aren't related to games playing.

You can't look at individual GPU sales and equate them being PC gamers.

nor can you consoles since loads of people bought ps3 for the bluray player and never bought a single game.
america also bought some for folding or whatever

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 20:53

arknor said:
nor can you consoles since loads of people bought ps3 for the bluray player and never bought a single game.
america also bought some for folding or whatever

That's a separate issue to GPUs versus consoles sold, though still quite right.

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 20:58

spoffle said:
That's a separate issue to GPUs versus consoles sold, though still quite right.

lolwut? separate ? because it doesn't suit your viewpoint

which gpus are used by which industries then? how many of them are actually using gaming GPU's ?

maybe it's these cards they are using?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-supercomputing-solutions.html
or maybe its these ones
http://www.amd.com/uk/PRODUCTS/WORKSTATION/GRAPHICS/ATI-FIREPRO-3D/Pages/ati-firepro-3d.aspx

oh wait it's amazing these are not gaming cards at all they are for workstations and are infact total crap at gaming compared to normal GPU's

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 21:47

Oh lawd, so because you don't know what you're talking about, I suddenly don't?

I don't even think you know what my viewpoint is.

There loads of industries that use GPUs that have nothing to do with gaming, and work station cards are not as popular as you seem to assume, they have largely become redundant.

That aside, AMD's cards are very popular with analysts and stock traders due to the large amount of display outputs you can get out of one card.

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:14

erm.....
you said not everyone uses GPU's for gaming.

I pointed out not everyone uses consoles for gaming.

you seem to think there's some vast difference between the two so no comparison can be made.

it's not a separate issue its the same ****** issue......

I don't know why you give a **** anyway you don't like pc gaming now go back to the console section and stop trying to draw people into arguments if you want to throw valid comments out the window

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:27

arknor said:
erm.....
you said not everyone uses GPU's for gaming.

Yes, I know what I said.

I pointed out not everyone uses consoles for gaming.

I agreed with that...

you seem to think there's some vast difference between the two so no comparison can be made.

I didn't say a comparison can't be made, but it is a separate issue.

Firstly, it only really applies to PS3 since you can't do folding on other consoles. Consoles have very limited usage scenarios compared to a desktop GPU.

it's not a separate issue its the same ****** issue......

Nope.

I don't know why you give a **** anyway you don't like pc gaming now go back to the console section

Wat? What orifice did you pull this bit of crap from? Go back to the console section? Wat?

Are you delusional or something?

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:32

I dont understand why you turned this thread into a console vs pc debate anyway

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:35

:/

What are you reading?

Where the hell did you get "you don't like PC gaming" from?

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:39

you seem to turn the thread into some gpu sales vs console sales debate when what we are supposed to be doing is trolling the sports arena about iron jaws.
Lets face it pc gaming has good genetics right now

spoffle · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:40

Come on, answer the question, why do you think I don't like PC gaming?

HangTime · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:42

512MB RAM, lol

This is 2013, not 2003.

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 22:44

HangTime said:
512MB RAM, lol
This is 2013, not 2003.

it's almost like the bill gates comment

Xordium · 6 Sep 2013 at 23:01

Bennie-Mac said:
But on the other hand PC gamers seem to get screwed over quite a lot with console games either not making it to the PC at all or being delayed for months after the console release.

TBH The games I play would never be made for anything other than a PC. I tend to play stuff like Hearts of Iron and Crusader Kings etc.

I grew up on a 48k Speccy and still hark back to the day where you a big cardboard box with a massive manual to fly a plane over some vector graphics. The shops were full of subsims, plane sims, hex based wargames etc. I kind of miss those games and leave the console type games to the kids. They have reactions ... I don't. I like to think it may take me some time to make the right move but I do make the right move!

arknor · 6 Sep 2013 at 23:18

Xordium said:
TBH The games I play would never be made for anything other than a PC. I tend to play stuff like Hearts of Iron and Crusader Kings etc.

I grew up on a 48k Speccy and still hark back to the day where you a big cardboard box with a massive manual to fly a plane over some vector graphics. The shops were full of subsims, plane sims, hex based wargames etc. I kind of miss those games and leave the console type games to the kids. They have reactions ... I don't. I like to think it may take me some time to make the right move but I do make the right move!

I miss all the sims/rts/trategy/adventure games too it was what made pc gaming pc gaming

They will never be back even MMO's are stupidly simple pieces of junk now

Xordium · 6 Sep 2013 at 23:35

arknor said:
I miss all the sims/rts/trategy/adventure games too it was what made pc gaming pc gaming

They will never be back even MMO's are stupidly simple pieces of junk now

They are still around you just have to dig a bit deeper. In fairness Wargame: Airland Battle is my favourite RTS ever, the hours I've sunk into DCS A-10 is now pretty obscene, and I really don't want to look at my play time on Operation Flashpoint > Arma3 or Eve or SWG. Probably half of my free time spent on those!

Bassmansam · 7 Sep 2013 at 09:57

Scrutinize said:
This doesn't surprise me but the article missed out or only lightly touched on the following:

1) PCs for gaming are cheaper and more diverse than they have ever been. 10 years ago when the xbox and PS2 were king a gaming PC was £1200 -£2200. Even during the early PS3 and 360 years a good gaming PC was still close to £1k. Now £500 gets you a perfectly capable gaming PC with quality graphics. You don't need an i7 with £500 graphics card to get a good playable experience. Equally a £500 laptop will game quite happily at lower res and a £1k laptop will be really good. 10 years ago you just didn't game on normal laptops bar some easy RTS. !

£500 for a decent PC? What are you smoking?