Win8 Tablets

Glaucus said:
the fact it doesn't run normal software is not an issue for most people.
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Yes it is.
It's a massive issue, as people still can't tell the real difference, as visually X86 and RT are the same.

But it's a moot argument, as it'll be like banging my head against the wall with you.

The market has already spoken, and the devices won't be coming as fast and as varied as we'd like, because like I've said, there's only 2 vendors left.

Also, we've been hearing "Apps are coming" since October 2012, where's my free and usable/viable MKV player? Nowhere.

MS should never have created RT, it should have been a Clovertrail tablet.
MS should dump RT and go Baytrail, or make 3 tablets.

RT at a bargain price with a decentish SOC (Nexus 7 2013 essentially) then an X86 Baytrail, then a Haswell.
 
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If you believe the market then all windows tablets and phones are dead.

Apps have come, apps have massively increased both the amount and the quality. So yeah stupid point there. As I said I have every app I need now other than sky go. With many other apps like Facebook confirmed for October release, if you wish the official app.
 
Windows phones aren't doing that badly to be honest, but the tablets are, hence the now 2 vendors.

You can't ignore that, we're going to have a poor choice.
 
If they are good, choice isn't everything, look at how apple grew from zero market place.
RT is here to stay, win8 is gaining traction. Yes win8 will do better, but wintry death is massively overhyped by media.
 
I don't see how it's overhyped when pretty much everyone involved with RT is posting losses.
And Apple wasn't competing against anyone really.

MS have come into the game late and released a stinker in comparison.
They needed to release something really great to stand out, now it's an uphill battle.
 
Martini1991 said:
I don't see how it's overhyped when pretty much everyone involved with RT is posting losses.
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MS has huge amounts of money have said they will support it. Change takes time and hardware was lacking. People are far more accepting of win8 now than they were a year ago.
 
What about the other companies?

Everyone and their dog said RT would flop, Surface RT was overpriced etc, (As were all the other RT offerings) and it flopped.

MS could have done something differently, but didn't, do you put any faith in a company with that level of ignorance?
 
It was over priced and under specced.

MS is a mixed bag, goes from great success to massive failures. however the failures aren't something they can't fix, we know they recognise the issues as they have admitted to the issues, price, hardware, availability they've admired to all off them. If your going to admit it, then why wouldn't they fix it.
 
DeathStorm said:
Why are you so certain there's a bunch of people buying an ARM tablet to run their legacy windows applications?
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People aren't buying RT tablets to run their legacy Windows, who said that? (Because people aren't buying RT tablets)

But people don't realise there's a difference and that they CAN'T run their normal apps on what they consider a Windows tablet as RT means nothing to them.

People are ignorant, they see the same Windows style UI as their Windows 8 laptop/PC and think it's the same.

This has been proven, as people do this.
 
Glaucus said:
Neither of those have much to do with RT, apps are coming, that's an issue with all e8 ATM. Depends what you need, I'm only missing sky go and don't hold any hope.
Performance is hardware, which is sorted on the new tablets, much higher res screens, better chips..
So yeah RT is absolutely fine, the fact it doesn't run normal software is not an issue for most people.
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That's the whole point, it is an issue, a massive one which is why MS had to do such a massive writedown. OK, we get it, surface RT is OK for you, but for the majority of users it isn't any good which is why there is a mountain of unsold stock. I could have bought one for £133, I still won't touch it even if it was £99, and if you read the forums, most people are waiting for a 2nd gen Pro as they want the x86 backward compatibility with the new better hardware - it is crucial, RT is crippled as you can only run the apps that are in the store, pretending that is not an issue is sticking your head in the sand.
Having competition is good, but the whole appeal of a W8 tablet is access to the whole suite of apps that people use on their PC and want to use on a tablet, there is no point otherwise, and no real difference between the Ipad, Note or any other droid tablet, you are locked into an app sore environment.
Win8 is beautiful for touch, but not at the expense of x86...
 
Payouts talking surface rt, surface rt is not windows RT.

Windows RT is actually fine for most people who want a tablet.
Hardware, price, availability, advertising is a different matter and that's where surface RT falls down.
There is nothing wrong with RT.
There's two different markets, the majority of home casual users I doubt are worried about tradition software. They are more than happy with apple/android which has no of that. Power users, business etc is a different matter and there's where x86 comes in. It's not one or the other, there's distinct markets with a hefty overlap.
 
Surface RT may's well be Windows RT as besides Dell's XPS 10 it's the only Windows RT tablet that hasn't been discontinued/Had their vendor drop support.

And I'd be surprised if Dell don't jump away soon.
 
How? And when surface 2 comes out, how does the argument stand that Surface is RT?

They need to release a lumia RT, I think that would sell very well. And could push it into mobile phone shops like other tablets.
 
It'll be interested to see what Nokia come up with. I really want a 7" or 8" Windows 8/RT tablet. Hopefully there'll be a WIFI only model at around the £250 mark.

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Glaucus said:
How? And when surface 2 comes out, how does the argument stand that Surface is RT?

They need to release a lumia RT, I think that would sell very well. And could push it into mobile phone shops like other tablets.
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What happens in 2014 when Nokia/MS literally become one, do you think we'll have two devices?

My point is, I think it's going to get to the point where it's just MS who have a Windows RT device, I mean we're almost at that point.

An 8" RT tablet at 250 quid still isn't that good a buy, when Clovertrail 8" can already be had at that price point (Although it's naff) and 10" clovertrails are available at 300 quid.

Baytrail is set to be cheaper and pretty much triples the performance of Clovertrail CPU wise.

And then, why bother with RT at all?
 
Rt will still be thinner and cooler for a start. Why bother with atom, when you don't need or want traditional software. The new atoms are great or at least what we've seen so far, I do no think they collapse the arm market though.

And yes I think it's very likely they will have a lumia range and a surface range.
I still think MS will make a surface phone and keep churning out new lumia models.

Google and Motorola for example, it's nothing new.
 
Biggest reasons is the company's who are churning out atom tablets, have crap build quality and customer service. I wouldn't touch an acre product anymore. And asus build quality leaves a lot to be desired. The new atoms demoed are not particularly thin and get hot according to hands on. Ii've spent my haswell tablet funds on. Pair of boots of all things, I will almost certianlly be going RT as a stop gap, especially if the lumia materialises. Why would I want to pay extra for office? Rts are also meant too be cheaper this time around. Does more? Great, but will people use it? some will, some wont. For those who won't it's not an added benefit. It's like the phone contracts pay an extra little for a thousand minutes, oh yeah but I only ever use 100minutes a month so it's no benefit.
 
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