I agree with this completely, any driver who goes through this must have gone to hell and back.
Consequences of public suicide
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If he's not moaning 'in any shape or form' why is it the first thing he ****ing says?
stop trying to derail the thread.
(see what i did there)
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As someone with a lot of contact with the HSE, these sorts of events create a massive amount of work and exponential damage / distress for many people, beyond the basic "late for work" consequences.
Example; someone once committed suicide in our workplace on a Friday afternoon. Staff and members of the public witnessed the event which meant there was anxiety, panic and stress. Then there were the investigations, police involvement, enforcing authority contact, serious incident investigation, risk assessment, policy review, ongoing minor work to reduce likelihood of recurrence, media notification / press... and ultimately, beyond spending hundreds of thousands, is no less likely to happen again.
It's very disheartening to know that sometimes, if someone wants to end their life, they will. At the same time, I don't particularly think they care if you're going to be late for work or if it's going to generate a lot of paperwork.
Thankfully there is a lot of support for staff in this kind of scenario, but I still wouldn't want to be greeted with this as a day job. I tip my hat to the emergency services.
Example; someone once committed suicide in our workplace on a Friday afternoon. Staff and members of the public witnessed the event which meant there was anxiety, panic and stress. Then there were the investigations, police involvement, enforcing authority contact, serious incident investigation, risk assessment, policy review, ongoing minor work to reduce likelihood of recurrence, media notification / press... and ultimately, beyond spending hundreds of thousands, is no less likely to happen again.
It's very disheartening to know that sometimes, if someone wants to end their life, they will. At the same time, I don't particularly think they care if you're going to be late for work or if it's going to generate a lot of paperwork.
Thankfully there is a lot of support for staff in this kind of scenario, but I still wouldn't want to be greeted with this as a day job. I tip my hat to the emergency services.
I was first on scene after a member of the public found someone who had been reported missing and killed themselves by gassing in a car last year. It's absolutely nothing in comparison to what train drivers, and responding emergency services to suicide by train must experience, but it still stuck with me for a good while. Still think about it now sometimes to be honest, and I'll forever think about it when I pass his home, or the place where he died.
I don't think i could do the job of a BTP officer, in some areas its a regular call for them. Utterly tragic that it becomes a part of day to day life.
I don't think i could do the job of a BTP officer, in some areas its a regular call for them. Utterly tragic that it becomes a part of day to day life.
I think its a little selfish as you can literally explode when getting hit by train.
I know of someone that jumped in front of a train with their dog... the track looked like a butchers shop, you couldn't distinguish the bits of man from the bits of dog its horrible.
I dont know how people cope with cleaning something like that up.
I know of someone that jumped in front of a train with their dog... the track looked like a butchers shop, you couldn't distinguish the bits of man from the bits of dog its horrible.
I dont know how people cope with cleaning something like that up.
I doubt they do, they just do it because it's their job, but I doubt they ever get over it.
It's selfish because you can explode?
Not sure if serious.
I think there's far greater selfishness in the act than what you've pointed out.
Its all subjective, depending on who's viewpoint you look at it from.
It's so selfish, if you want to die, by all means go ahead but don't make it everyone elses problem just hang yourself or cut your wrists, take an overdose.
Train drivers go mental over this kind of traumatic event, it's not just the delays, this kind of crap can ruin peoples lives.
How getting hit by a train seems a pleasant way to go is beyond me, I can only assume this is largely spur of the moment commuters hating their stifling meaningless life as a city slicker, and not premeditated suicide.
Train drivers go mental over this kind of traumatic event, it's not just the delays, this kind of crap can ruin peoples lives.
How getting hit by a train seems a pleasant way to go is beyond me, I can only assume this is largely spur of the moment commuters hating their stifling meaningless life as a city slicker, and not premeditated suicide.
Walking in and finding someone hanging by their neck is not an easy sight.
Finding anyone dead either naturally or suicide is not easy.
What an utterly stupid comment, I hope you never have to experience anyone in your family that goes through this.
There's no such thing as a selfless suicide, the impact on the people left behind is massive, whatever the method.
Truth is though, if you've reached the point of actually killing yourself, its the biggest thing in life, and nothing else, and nobody else matters. There is no comprehension of the effect of your actions, as everything else is blocked out. People honestly believe it is for the best and world will be better without them. I think a lot of people who commit suicide think they're doing something good for their families and friends. They think they're better off dead.
Truth is though, if you've reached the point of actually killing yourself, its the biggest thing in life, and nothing else, and nobody else matters. There is no comprehension of the effect of your actions, as everything else is blocked out. People honestly believe it is for the best and world will be better without them. I think a lot of people who commit suicide think they're doing something good for their families and friends. They think they're better off dead.
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I will give my input here as i am a train driver. First, lets discard the myth - there is no set time for a driver to be off. As someone else said, people deal with these things very differently. One person may cope very well (not their fault/nothing they could do etc..) whilst others have their lives ruined by the actions of one.
If i was to hit someone, the first thing i have to do is stop everything around me (it may be a glancing blow?) as there are very strict rules regarding other trains going past a dead body. Once all emergency procedures are followed, it then becomes a cleanup operation and i am removed from the situation asap.
As was rightly said - if i want counselling i get it until i am ready to come back to work, if i dont want it, thats fine and i return to work when interview/drugs & alcohol tests are concluded and everyone is happy for that to happen.
I have come close to hitting someone which did give me the shakes (school kids messing about), but my personal attitude is if its suicide i am mearly the tool. If someone falls/pushed etc.. then thats a different mindset and one i cannot really talk about as its not happened.
Whilst it takes a LOT of courage i think to commit suicide, i cant help but feel when someone wants to use someone else to do it (train/bus/car drivers- you get the idea), that is somewhat selfish. If you choose to do it by other methods (overdose), at least you are not potentially affecting someone elses life (excluding family obviously and emergency services).
All in all its a sad situation and whilst people are delayed by situations like this, i would hope the majority are understanding that sometimes these situations cannot be avoided.
If i was to hit someone, the first thing i have to do is stop everything around me (it may be a glancing blow?) as there are very strict rules regarding other trains going past a dead body. Once all emergency procedures are followed, it then becomes a cleanup operation and i am removed from the situation asap.
As was rightly said - if i want counselling i get it until i am ready to come back to work, if i dont want it, thats fine and i return to work when interview/drugs & alcohol tests are concluded and everyone is happy for that to happen.
I have come close to hitting someone which did give me the shakes (school kids messing about), but my personal attitude is if its suicide i am mearly the tool. If someone falls/pushed etc.. then thats a different mindset and one i cannot really talk about as its not happened.
Whilst it takes a LOT of courage i think to commit suicide, i cant help but feel when someone wants to use someone else to do it (train/bus/car drivers- you get the idea), that is somewhat selfish. If you choose to do it by other methods (overdose), at least you are not potentially affecting someone elses life (excluding family obviously and emergency services).
All in all its a sad situation and whilst people are delayed by situations like this, i would hope the majority are understanding that sometimes these situations cannot be avoided.
Thought I would post my thoughts on this as I have experience with suicide. As someone pointed out, seeing someone die by suicide in any way is awful.
Earlier on this year I found my mother hanging in our garage, as I'm sure you can imagine, seeing that, then with your brother having to cut them down, call ambulance, gives police statements and many other things, is about the worst thing that can happen to someone. But what I do know is my mother was the kindest most selfless person I had ever met, I cannot think of a single time in my life where she didn't put myself or her family first. She suffered with severe depression for the whole life, and the last 18 months, it got worse. Now I know my mum would never have wanted one of her son's or husband to find her like that, so something snapped as far as I'm concerned, because if she was thinking rationally, it wouldn't have happened.
So while I agree that suicide is not fair to anyone left behind, and being someone in the past that probably would have said "it's selfish" to do it, I can now say having been touched by it, I doubt anyone that actually goes through with it is even able to comprehend the consequences of their actions by that point, and anyone around them/affected just arn't anywhere to be found in what is left of their mind.
Earlier on this year I found my mother hanging in our garage, as I'm sure you can imagine, seeing that, then with your brother having to cut them down, call ambulance, gives police statements and many other things, is about the worst thing that can happen to someone. But what I do know is my mother was the kindest most selfless person I had ever met, I cannot think of a single time in my life where she didn't put myself or her family first. She suffered with severe depression for the whole life, and the last 18 months, it got worse. Now I know my mum would never have wanted one of her son's or husband to find her like that, so something snapped as far as I'm concerned, because if she was thinking rationally, it wouldn't have happened.
So while I agree that suicide is not fair to anyone left behind, and being someone in the past that probably would have said "it's selfish" to do it, I can now say having been touched by it, I doubt anyone that actually goes through with it is even able to comprehend the consequences of their actions by that point, and anyone around them/affected just arn't anywhere to be found in what is left of their mind.
with regards the driver they get a lot of support from the company, my dad drove trains for 30 years and knew a couple of drivers that had people kill themselves on the tracks.
One said the guy just sat there watching the train coming looking into the cabin and for months he kept the guys face when he looked in the mirror so obviously suffered a lot mentally.
i feel suicide is a selfish thing to do in general but i understand that at times it does seem like the only option.
One said the guy just sat there watching the train coming looking into the cabin and for months he kept the guys face when he looked in the mirror so obviously suffered a lot mentally.
i feel suicide is a selfish thing to do in general but i understand that at times it does seem like the only option.