Consequences of public suicide

[Rroff]

Experienced something related when I was 13-14 or so don't really want to go into details, for the next 3-4 nights I couldn't sleep coz I'd keep hearing the noises replaying in my mind - fortunatly we were then off on holiday for 2 weeks - new places/experiences put it out of my mind otherwise it would have probably been a lot more traumatic to deal with.

It is selfish especially when young children could experience it but I guess largely by that point they don't care.

Sadly these days I'd probably be largely unaffected by experiencing something like that and back to normal in a day or 2.

 

[bakes0310]

My step dad killed himself when I was about 14-15. He and my mum had a 1 year old son together, and that wasn't enough for him to not do it. Ive never had depression, but it must be a very powerful feeling to just end it when he had everything.

 

[TommyV]

How mildly inconvenient for you.

Someone didn't read the entire OP before trying to be witty

 

[Deleted member 651465]

A guy in my class in school hung himself after being bullied for years on end.

I wouldn't call him a best friend, but just knowing that I was friends with him and then hearing the news was very stressful. Sometimes, you don't know how it'll affect you until it happens.. To this day it makes me sad to think no one saw the warning signs, and what those bullies must have thought.

 

[Raz]

Today my journey was delayed by someone jumping onto the tracks at East Croydon, whilst being pretty sad that someone takes their own life and I'm not moaning about the delay in anyway shape or form it got me thinking about the collateral effects. Who cleans up? what do the train drivers then do? do they get support from their companies? how do the emergency services deal with something like this?

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/ne...trains_after_man_hit_at_East_Croydon_station/

It also happened 6 months a go with a mother and child on my route which very sad.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ding-her-child-jump-on-to-tracks-8545387.html

Tonight it'll be back to normal like nothing ever happened

Yes I got stuck at Thornton Heath this morning and trains were still not running properly from Victoria in the evening. All that doesn't matter though when you think find out that someone lost their life. I do think that people need to find more time for each other, even strangers.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

A guy in my class in school hung himself after being bullied for years on end.

I wouldn't call him a best friend, but just knowing that I was friends with him and then hearing the news was very stressful. Sometimes, you don't know how it'll affect you until it happens.. To this day it makes me sad to think no one saw the warning signs, and what those bullies must have thought.

You can't live like that thuogh - beating yourself up about something. When my uncle killed himself, we all questioned (and I know we still do) how we didn't see the signs. The night he did it was on another of my uncle's (his brother's) wedding after the wedding, and my birthday. You just think over and over again about the interactions you had with him that day, and what you could have done just to make him smile in the hope that you could have stopped it. My first thing my dad said when we found out was "I can't even remember saying goodbye to him" which was heart breaking.

You can't keep blaming yourself though; he'd obviously made up his mind at some point, whether before or after the wedding, and that was that unfortunately

 

[AmyS]

My stepdad's friend was going through a 'rough patch' some years ago (we later discovered it was the onset of schizophrenia) when he was in his mid 40's and was invited to stay at our house for a while.

My teenage sister got up early one morning and discovered him attempting to hang himself from the tree in our garden and he was sectioned.

After numerous stays in psychiatric hospitals he was housed on the 15th floor of a local housing block of flats and jumped to his death 2 weeks later.

I don't believe the necessary help IS in place. Although I know some people can't escape the 'cloak of doom' that is depression and will be determined to end their lives, there are also lots of vulnerable people who should be helped more.
(From an NHS worker)

 

[Johnnytoxic]

You can't keep blaming yourself though; he'd obviously made up his mind at some point, whether before or after the wedding, and that was that unfortunately

Things can eat at people for years and years without anybody having even a hint of an idea what's going on.

I'd be pretty sure that it wouldn't have been an overnight decision. Things build up over long periods of time.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Sad to hear about the jumper this morning, it didn't delay me, but did mean I had to change and WAIT at E.Croy as I couldn't get my planned train. Tut!

I guess if you hate the world enough to jump in front of a train then ****ing people might be part of the point.

 

[King Damager]

My opinions:

a) Killing yourself by jumping in front of train, is mildly inconvenient for me, and many others. I suspect the cost to GDP of all the lost worked hours due to train delays from train suicides is reasonable. That said, it's not really the main issue.
b) The main issue is the mental damage you're going to do to the driver. If you do succeed, he's basically just killed someone. It's not really suicide, more, death through giving someone else no opportunity not to commit manslaughter. Admittedly, a train driver never would, nor should be charged with it in the scenario, but we've basically got someone getting themselves killed rather than killing themselves. (Yes there's a difference).
c) Sometimes I wonder on the underground whether people truly jump or are pushed (accidentally). At rush hour, it's busy and all it takes is one idiot to push a bit.
d) This is why more train stations need to be more like the Jubilee line. Bordered off tracks result in no ability to jump in front of the train. Admittedly this is harder on non-underground stations
e) Finally, someone committed suicide, whatever they're going through has clearly been big enough to cause them to do it. It's not nice, and someone has probably lost a loved one. Don't forget that.

kd

 

[AndyT]

a lot do, still its a cowards way out and they should stick to life like the rest of us.

*edited due to not reading all of the replies*

What an idiot you must be. Such an ignorant thing to say.

 

[bainbridge]

A woman who stepped out in front of a bus allegedly smiled at the driver as she did so.

 

[Theophany]

and socks.

I need a shower
Yuck


"Chaos on trains"
"Major disruption has been caused"

Nothing about how someone was so ill that they wanted to die.

Do we actually know that though? There was a guy a week or so back that jumped in front of a lorry on the M5 and people jumped to the 'ohmagherd he was ill' conclusion, when the reality is the ****er had ripped off 70 large and couldn't handle the prospect of jail time.

Suicide isn't the preserve of the unwell.

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to agree that this way of checking out is flat out selfish, simply because some poor sod doesn't get the choice of stopping the train in time and has to live with that burden for the rest of their lives. The jumper doesn't.

 

[d_brennen]

I was once held up by a train suicide between Paddington and Hayes and Harlington, a woman stepped out in front of the train and burst everywhere. The clean up guys were spraying down the trees next to the track

 

[bitslice]

Thanks for the misleading quoting :/

Do we actually know that though?

In this case, 100%? No we don't, there is a 1% chance he was shoved onto the track by Fluttershy in a fit of pique.
Does it matter? Why not pick another case where we do know just so you don't have to point out the statistical irrelevances.

but I'm going to agree that this way of checking out is flat out selfish

I think it's been mentioned already, but in that state of mind you don't have any real connection to other people or their potential feelings about you dying in front of them, a bit like a headless chicken doesn't care if you don't like the sight of blood. If a rational person stood in front of a train just to annoy, then maybe that would be selfish.
I'd imagine that there is a small notion in anyone committing suicide to want to be noticed in the act of dying, but it would be extremely churlish to call that feeling selfish, that the last wish of someone's life is for someone else to stop and notice their pain. Surely the desire to ignore them is the more selfish emotion?

 

[Mr Blonde]

I was once held up by a train suicide between Paddington and Hayes and Harlington, a woman stepped out in front of the train and burst everywhere. The clean up guys were spraying down the trees next to the track

A guy threw himself in front of a train at Liverpool St Station in the mid 80s soon after I'd got off a train on another platform there. Workmen came across his head two years later on top of an office block when it was being repainted.

While I wish, if I ever got into that sort of state about things, that I'd have some sort of compassion or feelings left in me for everyone else, I can't help but think that little in the way of this sort of rational would be left in me at all by that stage.

It's a hell of a thing for sure.

 

[ExRayTed]

To the OP - Had to help clean all that up today at East Croydon. Walked past body parts to get to the train. Then watched people scoop the remains up into bags. Was fairly grim. The driver of the train was in a bad way.

 

[Theophany]

Thanks for the misleading quoting :/
In this case, 100%? No we don't, there is a 1% chance he was shoved onto the track by Fluttershy in a fit of pique.
Does it matter? Why not pick another case where we do know just so you don't have to point out the statistical irrelevances.

wat is this i dont even?

I think it's been mentioned already, but in that state of mind you don't have any real connection to other people or their potential feelings about you dying in front of them, a bit like a headless chicken doesn't care if you don't like the sight of blood. If a rational person stood in front of a train just to annoy, then maybe that would be selfish.
I'd imagine that there is a small notion in anyone committing suicide to want to be noticed in the act of dying, but it would be extremely churlish to call that feeling selfish, that the last wish of someone's life is for someone else to stop and notice their pain. Surely the desire to ignore them is the more selfish emotion?

It's pretty difficult to ignore them when they're a fine red mist or little more than a stray dismembered limb smashed through a window, no? Which is really where I take umbrage with all this ******** about it somehow being selfish to say that it is selfish. There's not much anybody can do to help once they've chucked themselves in front of a train.

 

[spoffle]

Do we actually know that though? There was a guy a week or so back that jumped in front of a lorry on the M5 and people jumped to the 'ohmagherd he was ill' conclusion, when the reality is the ****er had ripped off 70 large and couldn't handle the prospect of jail time.

Suicide isn't the preserve of the unwell.

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to agree that this way of checking out is flat out selfish, simply because some poor sod doesn't get the choice of stopping the train in time and has to live with that burden for the rest of their lives. The jumper doesn't.

I think people have issues with the term "selfish", they apparently can't help but have a negative reaction to it. I think they tend to have a conflict of emotions, some one has died and people aren't giving them bucket loads of sympathy.

It seems that society has gotten to a state where it's somehow wrong to call something as it is, and instead everything has to be exaggerated for reasons of sympathy. Like the way the news reports on people who've died, they always use hyperbole, they're always described as beautiful and amazing and other misappropriated phrases. It's bizarre.

 

[bitslice]

wat is this i dont even?

Really? No problem Theo, I'll reply to someone else.

I think people have issues with the term "selfish", they apparently can't help but have a negative reaction to it. I think they tend to have a conflict of emotions, some one has died and people aren't giving them bucket loads of sympathy.

There's a problem with the nuances of the terms being used, yes,
but I don't regard this as sympathy. For all I know he was a crackhead who'd just robbed his mum, I'm simply pointing out we appear to care more about the inconvenience than the loss of a human life. To be sympathetic implies empathy with their state of mind, but who really understands that?

I don't beleive you can apply the term selfish to an act that has very little recognition of other people, you have to actively want to deprive somebody of something to be selfish. Being suiciadal is often in the context of isolation, plus the feelings of others tend to be really downgraded in their heads - it's hard to suicide if you are fully aware of the pain you are about to put your family through.