Do expensive soundcards really make a difference?

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Would a non-audiophile really, and I mean REALLY, notice a difference between say, a £20 soundcard and a £60+ soundcard?

From my uneducated point of view, I'd say that the price of your speakers matters more than the price of your soundcard when it comes to sound quality. Sound cards might add functionality via equalizers that allow for small adjustments here and there, but they won't make phenomenal differences like those seen by switching from a cheap gaphics card to an expensive one.

Am I wrong? If so, how wrong?!
 
I used to be in the same boat as you, so I have used onboard audio or cheap (sub £20) cards since I got into PCs. It wasn't until I got a great deal on an Asus D2X that I realised how much difference it made. Sure it was a ballache setting it all up (and getting the damn floppy power connector to stay), but the difference was amazing. It made, what I thought to be crap speakers, sound pretty damn good!
 
I used to be in the same boat as you, so I have used onboard audio or cheap (sub £20) cards since I got into PCs. It wasn't until I got a great deal on an Asus D2X that I realised how much difference it made. Sure it was a ballache setting it all up (and getting the damn floppy power connector to stay), but the difference was amazing. It made, what I thought to be crap speakers, sound pretty damn good!

That sounds like a long time ago. Maybe onboard sound has improved since then? What card do you use today?
 
Alas I'm back to using the onboard on my Asus Maximus IV Gene/Gen3. Slightly better than normal onboard, but not as good as the Asus D2X I had (sold it as it didn't fit in new build).
 
Personally I think soundcards are generally only good for gaming or surround. If you're looking for audiophile grade sound I suggest an external audio interface or DAC. There are no doubt many who would disagree and defend their purchases
 
Had many soundcards over the years (defo not an audiophile btw)- onboard being the worst and even a crappy(!) £20 soundcard sounds better than onboard. Jump upto a £50-£80 soundcard and you'll notice even more clarity. Once you get above that though the extra clarity is very hard to notice.

If I was gunna recommend a 'minimum' soundcard - it would be an Asus one (noot on-board of course!)
 
I compared the onboard sound of the Asus Maximus Gene VI to the Creative Soundblaster Z. The difference was immediately obvious, even with the enhancements switched off (enhancements that make gaming sound amazing, in my view).
 
Having gone from a SB Live! to a D2 and then an Essence ST, I can say yes there is a difference.
Sure the difference between a D2 and an Essence isn't massive, but it's there and it really does depend on how critical you are and the quality of the equipment you're connecting it to.
 
On board sound is fine if you're using a digital output to something like an AV/Receiver.

I expect doing that would be money better spent than a £150+ sound card.
 
Alas I'm back to using the onboard on my Asus Maximus IV Gene/Gen3. Slightly better than normal onboard, but not as good as the Asus D2X I had (sold it as it didn't fit in new build).
Same here, the onboard audio on the formula is better than any other mobo ive owned. But it is poor compared to the xonar DX. I also cant fit it due to lack of space as im running sli and the k2 cpu cooler blocks the only other slot.
 
I just managed to fit my STX in the pcie x1 slot above the graphics card. I hope it doesn't droop because I'd be hard pushed to slide much more than a credit card between the emi shield of the STX and the back of my 7950. Why do they place the sockets so close? It's ridiculous.
 
Would a non-audiophile really, and I mean REALLY, notice a difference between say, a £20 soundcard and a £60+ soundcard?

From my uneducated point of view, I'd say that the price of your speakers matters more than the price of your soundcard when it comes to sound quality. Sound cards might add functionality via equalizers that allow for small adjustments here and there, but they won't make phenomenal differences like those seen by switching from a cheap gaphics card to an expensive one.

Am I wrong? If so, how wrong?!

Personally I'd say no. You would need a keen ear and other accurate audio equipment to notice a difference. and the effect would be nothing like switching from a cheap GPU to an expensive one.

One benefit from having a soundcard is the ability to process digital audio in a few ways, for example my soundcard can take a normal 5.1 or 7.1 digital audio signal and convert into a 2 channel signal playable by stereo headphones. Just an example of how sound cards can be really beneficial to some people.

I'm not really a speaker guy, but I would agree with you, unless you're looking for surround sound(most onboard solutions can provide this these days) I'd spend a little more on some quality speakers and stick to your onboard.

of course I could give you better advice with a list of your current audio setup and your potential upgrades.
 
Soundcards give you added functionality and connectivity, not extra quality. The inside of a PC is also very 'noisy' electrically, even scrolling a website can cause a whine on some setups. Having a soundcard can isolate things somewhat, or entirely with an external one.
If you don't get hiss, interference, etc when there's no sound playing then you don't have a problem though.

You might also consider a soundcard if you use headphones directly. A line-out is different to a headphone output which is amplified, and high impedance headphones (which are increasingly rare) require more amplification than the standard headphones outs on onboard audio or sound cards.

The function of either is to convert a digital signal to analogue which is a very simple thing to do, and the DACs in everything have been as good as each other for a long, long time. The actual DAC chip is inexpensive and very simple, costing pennies to a few £; lots of companies make them and each of these might list dozens of models with different applications - your ipod doesn't need a DAC that does 192/24 - but the same end result.
There is more to it than just the chip, you need to implement that into the full circuit with other components. However, look up DAC schematics and if you know anything about electronics you'll see how simple this really is. Although this latter part can be an area of contention with people into audio and knowledgeable about electronics as it's where you could create electrically measurable differences. Although that is very different to a change in sound quality or humanly perceivable differences.

But that's actually going a bit off track since both onboard sound and soundcards are both made by sensible manufacturers, not weird companies trying to claim they've used some sort of esoteric or exotic circuit design for their £4000 USB DAC.
Rather, they are both done in a competent and standard way and you really won't get a difference in SQ unless there is a fault or interference with one or the other. I personally say there's no difference between DACs, and more.

Spend your money on transducers (speakers/headphones), there are very real variations with these. I used to change sources all the time and spent a fortune because of what people said, without hearing any changes really. Now I just spend a fortune on headphones alone... It's still foolish (you can be satisfied if you stick with something), but at least there is a difference to be heard.

Btw the people who say they hear a difference aren't wrong. It's just that it's normally placebo, think something will be better, or ought to be, and it is. Works the other way round though less effectively.
 
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I'm sorry - I'm calling BS on those who think theres no difference between onboard sound and a dedicated sound card. I would agree if you were talking about just outputing optical sound via the digital output to an external decoder but out of personal experience over the past 20 years (I kid you not - been in this game a looooong time) - soundcards make a difference in quality.

I'm not an audiophile - hell I'm probably going deaf from the amount of bass that used to come out of some of my cars in the past, but using the SAME set of speakers one can easily tell the difference in sound quality between using onboard and a dedicated card.
 
I've recently gone from Onboard sound to a SoundBlaster Z, always used onboard, since a Soundblaster like 10 years ago or something.

Massive difference in both sound quality (though it's taking a lot of tweaking to get profiles right for different games/music/films).

I mainly wanted it for better sound quality but further distance/directional sound during gaming, and it's a massive difference.
 
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