Poll: Which Next Gen Console will you buy? - Final version (honest!)

[Macro]

http://gamingbolt.com/resogun-dev-p...gpu-will-result-in-better-multiplatform-games




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in b4 Macro

Developer of exclusive PS4 game in saying it will be better on PS4 shocker

Your preemptive stalking of me is quite sweet... Weird and a bit creepy.. but sweet...

 

[Macro]

BIB I dont know how at this point anyone can truly know, this is one side we havent seen much from either console apart from staged videos. The biggest issue with PSN was a) no headsets b) no party chat C) no cross game chat. All of these problems have now been fixed/implemented even as much as the cross game chat can be between Vita and PS4.

Yep, it's certainly developed and hit most of the pain points, the only real question now is dedicated servers on both platforms and if they will be all games/some games/ something else. The Vita thing is interesting, I wonder if MS will take some cues from it to enhance what can be done with XO smartglass later as the stuff Sony has done with Vita seems quite innovative.

 

[Tummy]

It would be brilliant if everyone could not ***** about graphics and potential before playing games on the consoles.

On paper one has a slightly higher spec, everything else is theory.

 

[Macro]

Especially when you take into account how good they got games like The Last of Us looking on PS3 hardware. I really wish they would optimize PC games as well as consoles, top end PC hardware is capable of so much more.

PC has it's challenges with it's mix of hardware and general purpose nature. It tends to be pretty powerful as well compared to raw console specs so I guess devs can be a little "lazier" with optimizing code although not having a "known" config must mike life a real pain. Interesting that tendency has come up a couple of times as a risk for not always getting the best out of PS4 for cross platform games. The extra power makes a devs life easier for PS4 on a x platform title leaving them time to concentrate on squeezing every little bit of performance from the less powerful X1 for best results. Of course that wouldn't effect exclusives and PS4 lead titles.

 

[Yungstar 2006]

xbox day one. PS4 early next year.

 

[Carlow]

http://gamingbolt.com/resogun-dev-p...gpu-will-result-in-better-multiplatform-games

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in b4 Macro

how can you post that 1 and not...

 

[slinxy]

playstation 4 for me, but not a release date one. I think I pick one up over christmas, theres nothing that really jumping out at me that I can't wait to play. I also have nearly a 100 games on playstation, playstation 2, psp and playstation 3 that I've not even started playing yet.

I'm totally buying into this playstation eco system, loving the idea of PS Vita TV and even considering getting a vita. I've already spent heavily in sony's past consoles and invested in loads of games from psn, I would be crazy to switch now.

Until then I will be looking at picking up a great deal of ps3 games cheap as people are getting rid of their ps3s for ps4s.

 

[eggyoke]

I've actually been thinking of cancelling my PS4 pre-order and waiting until Spring+ next year because there's no system seller games that stand out for me.

Battlefield 4 is about the only launch game I'm interested in, but the thing is I normally play FPS games on the PC. Then there's Driveclub, I'm somewhat interested, looks like it could be fun, but again it's no system seller.

Not sure what to do.

 

[zoomee]

I've actually been thinking of cancelling my PS4 pre-order and waiting until Spring+ next year because there's no system seller games that stand out for me.

Battlefield 4 is about the only launch game I'm interested in, but the thing is I normally play FPS games on the PC. Then there's Driveclub, I'm somewhat interested, looks like it could be fun, but again it's no system seller.

Not sure what to do.

tbh - i'm more inclining towards this too mate. This way it gives time to catch up on reviews of the two systems (i'm bothered about things like how noisey these consoles will be) and theres not really any major games i HAVE to play yet.

BF4 - Will do fine on my PC

 

[XeNoN89]

Developer of exclusive PS4 game in saying it will be better on PS4 shocker

Your preemptive stalking of me is quite sweet... Weird and a bit creepy.. but sweet...

I just know you're sitting there reading my posts in great details waiting for a chance to jump on me and prove me wrong

Anyways, more news for you:

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” he said. “Of course, something is better than nothing.”

http://www.edge-online.com/news/pow...erences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

 

[ps3ud0]

The rest of that article paints quite a bad picture if the XO leads to developers actually purposely nerfing PS4 versions to keep the differences minimal , especially if its down to platform politics

ps3ud0

 

[XeNoN89]

The rest of that article paints quite a bad picture if the XO leads to developers actually purposely nerfing PS4 versions to keep the differences minimal , especially if its down to platform politics

ps3ud0

Yep, will be pretty disappointing if that happens, although of the two devs quoted on this subject one says Politics might come in to play and cause them to hold back 1 version, and the other says they won't make changes due to politics. Maybe it will be a mixed bag in that case

 

[rp2000]

Yep, will be pretty disappointing if that happens, although of the two devs quoted on this subject one says Politics might come in to play and cause them to hold back 1 version, and the other says they won't make changes due to politics. Maybe it will be a mixed bag in that case

Well last (this) gen it didn't happen. Quite a few cross platform games were better on XB1 in similar respects to what this article claims (lower FPS and lower resolution on PS3 versions). GTA4 and some COD game did this IIRC?

I cant think of an exact example but there were some games rendered at 720p on 360 and rendered slightly lower and upscaled on PS3 to get the same performance. If they can make the PS4 game 1080p 60FPS with certain amount of "effects" to keep the effects the same they would reduce the resolution or to keep the res the same they reduce effects.


rp2000

 

[XeNoN89]

Well last (this) gen it didn't happen. Quite a few cross platform games were better on XB1 in similar respects to what this article claims (lower FPS and lower resolution on PS3 versions). GTA4 and some COD game did this IIRC?

I cant think of an exact example but there were some games rendered at 720p on 360 and rendered slightly lower and upscaled on PS3 to get the same performance. If they can make the PS4 game 1080p 60FPS with certain amount of "effects" to keep the effects the same they would reduce the resolution or to keep the res the same they reduce effects.


rp2000

Yep a lot of games were noticeably better on 360 compared to PS3. The only reason this would change would be if Microsoft actively tried to force the developers to change this. I suspect they won't like being told to make their games worse than they could be though.

 

[rp2000]

Yep a lot of games were noticeably better on 360 compared to PS3. The only reason this would change would be if Microsoft actively tried to force the developers to change this. I suspect they won't like being told to make their games worse than they could be though.

To me it's a non issue to be honest. How would we, consumers, ever really know if the dev knobbled the graphics on purpose or whether they were just lazy or whether the consoles performance differences aren't that big in the first place.

I can't think of any PS3 game I played where I thought "oh no some xbox fans are playing this with more pixels or more FPS".

I think if you own only 1 console it is a non issue as you have no choice but to buy the version on your platform. If I had a 360 or a PS4, I barely have enough time to game on it regulalry let alone stare ta the screen and ponder about the politics that went into the resolution


rp2000

 

[Macro]

To me it's a non issue to be honest. How would we, consumers, ever really know if the dev knobbled the graphics on purpose or whether they were just lazy or whether the consoles performance differences aren't that big in the first place.

I can't think of any PS3 game I played where I thought "oh no some xbox fans are playing this with more pixels or more FPS".

I think if you own only 1 console it is a non issue as you have no choice but to buy the version on your platform. If I had a 360 or a PS4, I barely have enough time to game on it regulalry let alone stare ta the screen and ponder about the politics that went into the resolution


rp2000

You and your crazy common sense... get outta here..

 

[XeNoN89]

To me it's a non issue to be honest. How would we, consumers, ever really know if the dev knobbled the graphics on purpose or whether they were just lazy or whether the consoles performance differences aren't that big in the first place.

I can't think of any PS3 game I played where I thought "oh no some xbox fans are playing this with more pixels or more FPS".

I think if you own only 1 console it is a non issue as you have no choice but to buy the version on your platform. If I had a 360 or a PS4, I barely have enough time to game on it regulalry let alone stare ta the screen and ponder about the politics that went into the resolution


rp2000

There were some games this gen that had a big difference. GTAIV for example looked like a crap blurry mess on PS3, 360 version was far superior.

 

[rp2000]

There were some games this gen that had a big difference. GTAIV for example looked like a crap blurry mess on PS3, 360 version was far superior.

Sure (although it wasn't that bad!!) But if I only have a PS4 and the XB1 version is better, how will I know or what can I do about it? I mean I may click on a link in this thread pointing to a DigitalFoundry and look at the pictures and think "wow" what a difference! But beyond that, what can I do? Made my bed, lie in it! As long as I don't get slowdown I can cope with the differences (I hope!)

You and your crazy common sense... get outta here..

This gen I am stuck with 1 console so I will learmto live with the quirks, drawbacks. Last gen I had both consoles multiple times and it just ended up being expensive for very little gain.


rp2000

 

[Macro]

I just know you're sitting there reading my posts in great details waiting for a chance to jump on me and prove me wrong

Anyways, more news for you:



http://www.edge-online.com/news/pow...erences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

It's a bit like care in the community and I'd hate to disappoint you I like to be helpful and correct your posts to help with your strange need to selective quote and post misleading information as fact, not to mention the occasional work of fiction you produce in your quest to try and slam X1 for some odd reason but worry not, I'm happy to help keep you honest for as long as it's amusing me.

We all agree the PS4 is the more powerful console, in particular when it comes to GPU and Memory which is again confirmed in the article you quote, not really news to anyone here I don't think. Not sure why you feel the urge to to continually try to paint X1 as a terrible console and a bad choice for people. New news and balanced views are one thing, lets face it all consoles have +/- but seriously, take a breath when it comes to Xbox. It's all very odd and I think, worthy of a little time to help balance your view.

Let's take the article you quote with such glee above, it goes on to say amongst other things (you may have missed this is a frenzy of seeing the words"PS4" "dev" and "50% in a sentence).

Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer.

Both platform holders are, of course, encouraging developers to take advantage of each console’s unique features (the DualShock 4’s touch pad and Kinect, for example) but there’s little enthusiasm for either among the developers we spoke to. “They really want us to make use of platform specific stuff to give their version a leg up over the other,” said one source. “But unless there’s a good design reason or incentive we rarely do.”


Indeed, despite that gulf in speed, the differences between cross platform launch window games will be negligible; with tight deadlines to meet, it’s more expedient for developers to deliberately create near-identical versions.

One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers.
This claim was later countered by a contact at a different studio. “It would be totally fine for us to make one version prettier without any political difficulties but it usually doesn’t make financial sense,” they said, “unless it’s a very simple tweak.”

The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console.

I'm sure you missed those bits entirely accidentally...
Now I'm not saying any of that is true, indeed the last bit about graphics drivers and the cloud seems somewhat unlikely, at least in the short to medium term, but then it is your choice of article to post as fact so who am I to dispute it.

It was interesting to see a dev mention the X1 drivers are a mess at the moment, that could go some way to explaining the somewhat less than smooth performance people have mentioned around FIFA when they saw it running on X1 (rather than PC dev kit). It says other stuff of course and I've not quoted all of it, I thought I might do a bit of selective quoting for fun as a bit of balance although I could have been a lot more selective if I was using your style of post.


Anyway, i'm still of the opinion that we're unlikely to see a huge difference in games in the real world and choice for me comes down to the exclusive and timed games, online environment I prefer and where friends will be for online gaming (as well as the dedicated server question). If all those things are equal I'd go for PS4 just because it's more powerful and cheaper, but for the time being my preferences lead me to X1.

Much like PS3 and 360, I don't think anyone is going to regret which ever console they choose, I don't think there's a bad choice. I'm sure most of us will be able to sell off some second hand games in a year or so after price cuts and pick up the other console as well for the best of both worlds.

 

[biron_w]

if the XO leads to developers actually purposely nerfing PS4 versions to keep the differences minimal

ps3ud0

They won't nerf PS4 games, they just won't optimise for PS4. This won't be down to developers however as it will be publishers that won't give them the time or money to optimise.

This is why PS3 multi platform games tend to be inferior. It's not because the PS3 is less powerful than than the 360, it's because it's more difficult to develop for.

This time around though I don't think we'll vastly inferior versions as we did with some PS3 games. Most games will look identical.