Constituencies/Estates/Cul-de-sac/nice little White picket fence - However it should be proportionate. ALL MP's need to ensure they live in the real world, see how the real d world is - that way they would make much more better informative decisions on policies.
LibDem Conference - Clegg's speech
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Constituencies/Estates/Cul-de-sac/nice little White picket fence - However it should be proportionate. ALL MP's need to ensure they live in the real world, see how the real d world is - that way they would make much more better informative decisions on policies.
They'll just wack tax on green energy as well, surely?
What else do you expect a minority party to do? Publicly stating a preferred coalition partner would be fatal.
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1. Inheritance tax cuts for millionaires - Need an inheritance tax cut for all.
2.Bringing back O’ levels and a two-tier education system - Good idea. Currently loads of kids are being dragged down by the lowest common denominator in the class, and those that are less intelligent and need to be taught to their level aren't getting the special attention they need.
3. Profit-making in schools - Can't remember what the details are on that.
4. New childcare ratios - Can't remember what the details are on that.
5. Firing workers at will, without any reasons given - Good idea. My business = my rules. Similarly workers can leave for any reason they want. And currently workers can go on-strike but the employers can't replace them with people that actually want to work!
6. Regional pay penalising public sector workers in the north - Why shouldn't the public sector have regional pay? The private sector does. It's obvious that in an area where living costs are higher, wages should be higher.
7. Scrapping housing benefit for young people - Can't remember what the details are on that. I have observed (amongst my generation) quite a few people that have decided to move out from their parental home and get their own place because they want to be independent... into a council house! No, council houses should be for people who otherwise would be out on the streets without a roof over their head. You could still be living with your parents (they haven't thrown you out), you've just decided you want to go. If you want to move out (which is cool), then save up and wait until you can afford it. Don't expect the tax payer to pay for your decisions.
8. 'Ditching the Human Rights Act - Good idea.
9. Weakening the protections in the Equalities Act - Good idea.
10. Closing down the debate on Trident - We need a nuclear deterrent. There is no debate to be had.
11. ‘Go home’ poster vans - They went ahead anyways.
12. Boundary changes - Didn't Labour make loads of boundary changes? They need to be changed back to make them equal.
13. Scrap Natural England - Can't remember what the details are on that.
14. Hold back green energy - Eh? The fact that 'green energy' isn't cost effective is what's holding it back! Nuclear power stations are the answer. Wind and Solar are cool, but let the free market dictate when they should advance rather than subsidising them.
15. Geography teachers to stop teaching children about how we can tackle climate change - I swear that in all my geography education (stopped after GCSE) all I learn't was Climate Change, the water cycle (they taught the same thing every year since primary school!) and something about the Amazon rain forest. I don't actually know where anything is.
16. Snoopers' charter - The government always has spied on us, and always will. Anyone that things otherwise or was surprised by the Prism leaks is delusional.
2.Bringing back O’ levels and a two-tier education system - Good idea. Currently loads of kids are being dragged down by the lowest common denominator in the class, and those that are less intelligent and need to be taught to their level aren't getting the special attention they need.
3. Profit-making in schools - Can't remember what the details are on that.
4. New childcare ratios - Can't remember what the details are on that.
5. Firing workers at will, without any reasons given - Good idea. My business = my rules. Similarly workers can leave for any reason they want. And currently workers can go on-strike but the employers can't replace them with people that actually want to work!
6. Regional pay penalising public sector workers in the north - Why shouldn't the public sector have regional pay? The private sector does. It's obvious that in an area where living costs are higher, wages should be higher.
7. Scrapping housing benefit for young people - Can't remember what the details are on that. I have observed (amongst my generation) quite a few people that have decided to move out from their parental home and get their own place because they want to be independent... into a council house! No, council houses should be for people who otherwise would be out on the streets without a roof over their head. You could still be living with your parents (they haven't thrown you out), you've just decided you want to go. If you want to move out (which is cool), then save up and wait until you can afford it. Don't expect the tax payer to pay for your decisions.
8. 'Ditching the Human Rights Act - Good idea.
9. Weakening the protections in the Equalities Act - Good idea.
10. Closing down the debate on Trident - We need a nuclear deterrent. There is no debate to be had.
11. ‘Go home’ poster vans - They went ahead anyways.
12. Boundary changes - Didn't Labour make loads of boundary changes? They need to be changed back to make them equal.
13. Scrap Natural England - Can't remember what the details are on that.
14. Hold back green energy - Eh? The fact that 'green energy' isn't cost effective is what's holding it back! Nuclear power stations are the answer. Wind and Solar are cool, but let the free market dictate when they should advance rather than subsidising them.
15. Geography teachers to stop teaching children about how we can tackle climate change - I swear that in all my geography education (stopped after GCSE) all I learn't was Climate Change, the water cycle (they taught the same thing every year since primary school!) and something about the Amazon rain forest. I don't actually know where anything is.
16. Snoopers' charter - The government always has spied on us, and always will. Anyone that things otherwise or was surprised by the Prism leaks is delusional.
Of course it's fair to blame the Lib Dems for reneging on key policies such as the scrapping of tuition fees and Trident. I think they are a despicable party and if anyone is genuinely considering voting for them again, then it's a sad reflection of the state of British politics and its complete lack of viable alternatives. The Liberals weren't obliged to enter into a coalition government - they chose to do so.
If the conditions of the coalition were such that they were being forced to give up on such key, party-defining policies then perhaps Mr Clegg should have considered declining Cameron's offer. It wasn't their duty to form a government with the Conservatives at all costs. Surely the duty of any politican is to represent those who voted them in? In my view, the Liberals spectacularly failed in this resepct when they decided to trade in half their manifesto promises for the "coalition government" badge of honour.
God forbid there should be any sense of moral duty to the electorate. As for your implication they were somehow naive as to how the coalition would work, I only hope that's a weak attempt at humour.
Your ignorance of the history and make up of the lib dems doesn't make this true in reality.
They are Tories just the same.
Same as New Labour co-incidentally enough.
Although he is correct to insinuate that what could be considered a left leaning manifesto was swept aside in the excitement of getting to enact out anti-social Tory policy with utter glee. See that wee traitor Danny Alexander for a start.
Unfortunately because of the lack of credibility of all the main UK parties, Clegg could actually be in a position of bargaining again even with the projected massive fall in return of LD MP's.
Actually at least part of the party are proper liberals, which is the strain of activity going on at the moment. Also the actual manifesto (and the orange book before it) were not that left wing in reality (for example, the nhs changes are in the lib dem manifesto in a very close format to the final results), but what many lib dem voters thought was in there and what actually was seem so far apart I have to think they jjust hadn't read it.
As for the massive drop in lib dem support, outside of scotland that will benefit the tories more than labour...
You mean UKIP, surely? The Westminster centric definition of liberalism isn't one I really recognise in my native political theatre. This has not been equality.
Btw, any news on how well Conservative membership is holding up?
No, I mean liberal as in the liberal party. Ukip has economic liberal moments but can never be called socially liberal.
As for the conservative party, I have no idea, nor do I really care.
Sorry I skipped the "part of". I wouldn't know who the 'real' liberals within the factions would be given the state they are in, perhaps you can elaborate given your leaning, but even then I doubt it's still going to cut the mustard when it comes to a genuine notion of equality.
You used to though.
Sorry I skipped the "part of". I wouldn't know who the 'real' liberals within the factions would be given the state they are in, perhaps you can elaborate given your leaning, but even then I doubt it's still going to cut the mustard when it comes to a genuine notion of equality.
You used to though.
I guess whether you see equality depends on what type of equality you are looking for. If you are looking for equality of outcome or equality of opportunity via enforced baselining (such as very high tax rates or banning of private schools or healthcare) then you won't find them under liberal. If you are looking for equality of treatment then you will do.
What did he lie about?
What didn't he lie about?
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