Nairobi (Kenya) Shopping Center Terror Attack

[Muzza1875]

Re the whole "All Muslims are bad" debate, the problem here is simple...

There are some Christians that are crazy. There are other Christians that are alright.
There are some Muslims that are crazy. There are other Muslims that are alright.

When the crazy Christians do their thing, the rest get on and make a massive song and dance about how the crazies are not us etc. The alright Christians massively outnumber the crazy Christians, and the public notice this.

When the crazy muslims do their thing, the rest aren't very good at saying the crazies are not us etc. You only really hear about the crazies, and so the public [rightly or wrongly] thinks that the crazies outnumber the sensibles. If that's not true and there are more sensible muslims than crazies, then they need to get on and make some noise!

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Yea because you hear about Christians beheading non Christian's and murdering non believers on a daily basis right enough.
Yea you hear about Christian's murdering Muslim's but not on anywhere near same scales as Muslim's killing non Muslim's.

Muslim's fight against EVERYONE, atheists, Jews, Hindus, Sikh's, Buddhists etc etc.
They don't want to coexist with infidels.

 

[deuse]

Haha, I see what they mean when they say 'Welcome to GD'

Just telling the truth dude as it's written

 

[areksnumbr1sxylady]

3. The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic and continued throughout time in Arabic

It was revealed in Aramaic which was derived from Hebrew... Not Arabic, although they are similar there are distinct differences.

 

[Kouba]

It was revealed in Aramaic which was derived from Hebrew... Not Arabic, although they are similar there are distinct differences.

I believe you're referring to one of the other Abrahamic Holy Books. The Qur'an was revealed to the Arabians who spoke Classical Arabic at the time. Even the Qur'an itself states what language it was revealed in:

41:3 A Book whose verses have been detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know,

43:3 Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.

 

[Kouba]

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Yea because you hear about Christians beheading non Christian's and murdering non believers on a daily basis right enough.
Yea you hear about Christian's murdering Muslim's but not on anywhere near same scales as Muslim's killing non Muslim's.

Muslim's fight against EVERYONE, atheists, Jews, Hindus, Sikh's, Buddhists etc etc.
They don't want to coexist with infidels.

I believe you are referring to the Radicalist Islamists who fight against everyone. It's important to be concise in your wording. Remember, Muslims are almost 2 billion in population.

 

[zoomee]

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Yea because you hear about Christians beheading non Christian's and murdering non believers on a daily basis right enough.
Yea you hear about Christian's murdering Muslim's but not on anywhere near same scales as Muslim's killing non Muslim's.

Muslim's fight against EVERYONE, atheists, Jews, Hindus, Sikh's, Buddhists etc etc.
They don't want to coexist with infidels.

And I suppose you missed the whole crusades thing right?
Muslim's ain't the only one's fighting.

Look to Israel and see how the jews fight and treat like poo non-gentiles.
Look ti India and see how the hindus fight and treat like poo non-hindus.

and it goes on. Seems to me like you need to get rid of your blinkers.....

 

[Mujja]

Read somewhere the centre was part Israeli owned so probably a few Israeli nationals taken hostage. Could be the reason why this centre was targeted.

Good to see the Israeli's helping with the rescue, they are probably better trained than anything the Kenyans have.

 

[Destination]

I believe you are referring to the Radicalist Islamists who fight against everyone. It's important to be concise in your wording. Remember, Muslims are almost 2 billion in population.

Its not overly important when a gun it put to your head and you don't know the name of the Prophet's mother. When your brains are splattered across the floor, it is even less important.

Anyway, when religion and politics mix there are always issues, and for a large part of the world they are pretty much one and the same.

 

[Housey]

Seems to me like you need to get rid of your blinkers.....

Based on this thread I find this comment ironic coming from you.

 

[RDM]

And I suppose you missed the whole crusades thing right?

Apart from being over 500 years ago you are aware of the cause of the first Crusade aren't you?

They really aren't a good example of the behaviour of modern Christianity.

 

[SlyReaper]

"The religion of peace" springs to mind.

Where did that "religion of peace" thing come from? People say it all the time, but who was the first to say it? I'm guessing someone who has never read the Koran.

 

[Destination]

Apart from being over 500 years ago you are aware of the cause of the first Crusade aren't you?

They really aren't a good example of the behaviour of modern Christianity.

Indeed, but some claim Islam is living 500 years ago still. So maybe comparing to the crusades is adequate

 

[areksnumbr1sxylady]

I believe you're referring to one of the other Abrahamic Holy Books. The Qur'an was revealed to the Arabians who spoke Classical Arabic at the time. Even the Qur'an itself states what language it was revealed in:

Have a watch of this.

 

[bitslice]

Was it sent by royal mail lmfao The things people believe!

Well the bible was just a collection of books written at different times, so it's not that dissimilar from Islam to be recorded in stages. They also believe that the various parts of the bible were for different times, so the last prophet to arrive could then say if what was written was correct.
Christianity actually fiddled the books here and changed stuff as it went along, first making different bibles and then deciding which bits they wanted to believe. Not to mention all the subsequent interpretations going on today.

So they nick a angel from another religion and call it their own? about sums them up

Islam came after Christianity, so it's natural they would talk about the same angels, other religions use the same angels too. They are only ever messengers from god.

 

[Kouba]

Have a watch of this.

Have a read of this:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/q-a/is...rrowed-from-syro-aramaic-christian-documents/

And this:

http://theinimitablequran.com/LuxenbergOnTheQuran.pdf

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/luxreview2.html

 

[Random Guy]

Click on link about horrific terror attack - find lots of pointless theological debate.

Mods, there are other threads for the pointless discussion that is being engaged in above - can you please move the irrelevant posts over?

There is an ongoing hostage situation in Westgate Mall in Nairobi and the geopolitical ramifications on East Africa and the US-led AFRICOM initiative still need to be taken into account.

 

[Random Guy]

Nairobbery has always been a problem with violence. However this is quite a silly thing to do especially as this is one of the poorest slums in africa

You're talking out of your behind. First of all, this orchestrated attack has nothing to do with Nairobi's societal problems. Secondly, where else would a terrorist group, based in Somalia where there are Kenyan troops on the ground (since 2 years or more), decide to hit a soft target?

 

[PooBrain]

Our PM says it's not in the name of Islam. I dunno if he's just ignorant or if he so desperately wants it to be true as he feels sorry for the moderate (and i say that loosely) muslims.

 

[NVP]

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Yea because you hear about Christians beheading non Christian's and murdering non believers on a daily basis right enough.
Yea you hear about Christian's murdering Muslim's but not on anywhere near same scales as Muslim's killing non Muslim's.

Muslim's fight against EVERYONE, atheists, Jews, Hindus, Sikh's, Buddhists etc etc.
They don't want to coexist with infidels.

They're just doing what you guys already did a long, long time ago.

 

[PooBrain]

They're just doing what you guys already did a long, long time ago.

Had to because the muslims started it anyways.