Considering an 8350... Am I as mad as a brush?

Hagar · 23 Sep 2013 at 14:05

An 8350 /20 is an excellent choice for an all round machine with lots of potential. I'm not an avid gamer but can play anything to max out my 6950, not cutting edge but good enough. I also use VM's and can easily run 4 or more concurrently.

Contrary to popular opinion, the 8350 is not particularly power hungry and when not gaming will use 100-120W running programs. Any overclocked gaming PC will quickly ramp up to 400W plus, Intel or AMD.

Marine-RX179 · 23 Sep 2013 at 14:27

Kobi said:
Yes yes, we all know that. All that information is good when it's a 100% gaming machine. This isn't. He needs the extra cores or threads for his VM's. Thus making the i5 not the best choice? I was just curious to hear how he came to that conclusion. Either that or him and yourself quickly glanced through the thread.

Sorry, my reply was directed strictly toward your quote on opethdisciple's post on gaming performance, not OP's circumstances.

I ain't kidding though about when people talk about FX8320 on £125, many would instantly think of its performance on the 4.60-4.80GHz and completely forgotten about the extra money required for CPU cooler that's necessary for the CPU to run at those speed.

Marine-RX179 · 23 Sep 2013 at 14:27

Ignore.

Phixsator · 23 Sep 2013 at 16:35

Marine-RX179 said:
Sorry, my reply was directed strictly toward your quote on opethdisciple's post on gaming performance, not OP's circumstances.

I ain't kidding though about when people talk about FX8320 on £125, many would instantly think of its performance on the 4.60-4.80GHz and completely forgotten about the extra money required for CPU cooler that's necessary for the CPU to run at those speed.

Dont forget that you would need the same quality cooler if you want to run haswell at similar speeds so thats kinda offset the cost for a good cpu cooler(unless ofcourse you dont want to deal with overclocking at all).

joeyjojo · 23 Sep 2013 at 16:59

Martini1991 said:
EDIT : Joey, where'd you get those consumption figures? Looking at ; http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/6

It's a lot different.

I know the clock speeds are different, but the power consumption difference is huge.

Thanks Martini, I just estimated them from published specs and forum searches.

That chart is much more useful and reliable. Interesting that the 8350 is probably way over it's TDP though (125 W) unless the rest of the system was eating LOADS of power.

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 17:03

Power consumption is based on all 8 cores at maximum load. That doesn't really happen unless you're doing encoding or something.

Martini1991 · 23 Sep 2013 at 17:04

TDP isn't power consumption.
They correlate.

But FX8350 draining more is the reason why VRM's on cheaper boards fail.

Marine-RX179 · 23 Sep 2013 at 17:47

Phixsator said:
Dont forget that you would need the same quality cooler if you want to run haswell at similar speeds so thats kinda offset the cost for a good cpu cooler(unless ofcourse you dont want to deal with overclocking at all).

Yea, but a Haswell at the same speed would be much faster than the FX8 on the same clock. I was just saying a i5 with a stock cooler at sub 3.60-3.80GHz can match the FX8's gaming performance at 4.50GHz (and faster in games using less than 8 cores) which need a 3rd party cooler- £150 vs £125+£30. People getting same quality cooler for the Haswell i5 to overclock is not about matching the overclocked FX8's gaming performance, but beating it.

humbug · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:02

AMD FX CPU's are fully VM compatible and featured, they have all the VM extensions.

The Desktop Intel CPU variants don't, even with the Xeon server chips you can't just go willy nilly any old cheap Motherboard, you have to spend a bit more to get that full VM support.

Like wise the cheapest AMD Motherboards are not fully compatible, but any 990 series Chipset should be.

pipson · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:15

+1 for FX 8350.
Why do ppl seem to want the sabertooth over the Crosshair Formula?

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:15

pipson said:
+1 for FX 8350.
Why do ppl seem to want the sabertooth over the Crosshair Formula?

It's cheaper.

pipson · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:23

teppic said:
It's cheaper.

by £30 or so. But not as good tho surely

dfour · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:24

pipson said:
by £30 or so. But not as good tho surely

and looks uglier than the crosshair :eek:

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:26

The Crosshair is the better board, and even though it's only £30 more, it's still a very expensive board.

dfour · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:34

teppic said:
The Crosshair is the better board, and even though it's only £30 more, it's still a very expensive board.

only comparatively, if you look at the cost of the sabertooth z87 its more than the crosshair for amd let alone the costs of the maximus 6 boards. :eek:

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:39

dfour said:
only comparatively, if you look at the cost of the sabertooth z87 its more than the crosshair for amd let alone the costs of the maximus 6 boards.

Comparatively, yes. But when you can get a really solid Asus 990FX board for about £110-£120, one at £180 or so looks to be very expensive.

humbug · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:44

pipson said:
+1 for FX 8350.
Why do ppl seem to want the sabertooth over the Crosshair Formula?

The Sabertooth is a fantastic board, its absolutely rock solid, extremely durable and stable.

The brown theme is not to everyone's liking but then its not supposed to look like the Crosshair Formula type boards, that's not what it is, the Sabertooth is a dependable work horse.

gpuerrilla · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:46

Phixsator said:
Dont forget that you would need the same quality cooler if you want to run haswell at similar speeds so thats kinda offset the cost for a good cpu cooler(unless ofcourse you dont want to deal with overclocking at all).

He's not the only one I noticed on these forums that does this. Many seem to forget about the budget figure and conveniently squeeze the price upwards like it's not an issue.

If you say I have £300 to spend on.. then thats the budget! One guy quoted a full £100 additional cost for a recommended spec in general. :rolleyes:

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:48

My choice would be the Sabertooth. Not pretty, no. It's really solid though and a discrete sound card would be miles better than the one on the ROG board anyway. The ROG board does have an Intel network interface, which I prefer to Realtek, but I always feel Realtek stuff is cheap.

teppic · 23 Sep 2013 at 18:51

Th0nt said:
He's not the only one I noticed on these forums that does this. Many seem to forget about the budget figure and conveniently squeeze the price upwards like it's not an issue.

If you say I have £300 to spend on.. then thats the budget! One guy quoted a full £100 additional cost for a recommended spec in general.

I've sometimes gone over budget (pointing it out clearly) if someone can get something massively better for just a little bit extra. Lots of people put up a budget and then 5 posts down add £50 to it.

As to 8350 cooling - you can get to 4.5GHz with a £25 cooler.