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Which 7970?

The way I say it the Matrix is guaranteed to 1100mhz, some 7970 won't even do that stable if you get unlucky... At £220 the Matrix is a bargain even if it hits a wall at 1150mhz, most people who buy one probably won't be overclocking anyway.
 
Rangerjr1 said:
Reference cards with ref coolers wont come anywhere close to matrix if the chip is identical, and that is ONLY because of the cooler as tahiti is temp sensitive. If you meant ref cards with any aftermarket cooler then its just a blank uneducated claim.
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No it's not.
We employ one of the worlds best overclockers, 8Pack!
He test all the hardware on top-end and he ranks the Matrix and Lightning as the best 7970's for extreme clocking. He has of course extreme cooled reference cards at launch, he still got better results with Matrix and Lightning.

For me if 8Pack says these Matrix and Lightnings are better, than they are, conversation over. :)
 
Gibbo said:
No it's not.
We employ one of the worlds best overclockers, 8Pack!
He test all the hardware on top-end and he ranks the Matrix and Lightning as the best 7970's for extreme clocking. He has of course extreme cooled reference cards at launch, he still got better results with Matrix and Lightning.

For me if 8Pack says these Matrix and Lightnings are better, than they are, conversation over. :)
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That is the only thing the matrix is better for, extreme cooling. I never said it wouldnt do that well.
 
Matt's old ref 7970 could bench at 1340+ with an accelero and another guy here can do pretty much the same on the stock hairdryer cooler.

Should I be mad that my identical card can't match theirs even on water?
My last 7950 on a ref 7970 pcb couldn't do more than 1150 even with uber aftermarket custom aircooling.

It's a lottery whatever way you look at it.

Fancy pcb or not, there are no guarantees. End of.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Matt's old ref 7970 could bench at 1340+ with an accelero and another guy here can do pretty much the same on the stock hairdryer cooler.

Should I be mad that my identical card can't match theirs even on water?
My last 7950 on a ref 7970 pcb couldn't do more than 1150 even with uber aftermarket custom aircooling.

It's a lottery whatever way you look at it.

Fancy pcb or not, there are no guarantees. End of.
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You've been thinking this is about how well the card overclocks? All this time??? Really? Are you FOR REAL? That is NOT what its about!
 
Rangerjr1 said:
That is the only thing the matrix is better for, extreme cooling. I never said it wouldnt do that well.
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Fact is at £220 is also better than any other card too, out the box it sports a decent overclock. Most of them exceed 1250 core with ease on the matrix cooler.

But as I say at £220 it's a pretty mute point, if they were still a £100 premium then other cards could be worth a look, but at this price this card simply has no competition and to be frank it is a brilliant card if your case is big enough for it.
 
Rangerjr1 said:
That is the only thing the matrix is better for, extreme cooling. I never said it wouldnt do that well.
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They also use higher quality components and overspecced power stages etc so the card should theoretically last longer, reference cards will use pretty much the minimum required to keep costs down. I bet the Matrix has less chance of coil whine which affects a lot of 7970 too.
 
Uncle Petey said:
No? Then by all means proceed to educate me, Oh enlightened, vague and angry one.
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littlepuppy said:
Why don't you explain then, the way your posts come across, its as though the card jumped out the case, grabbed a knife and cut your arm off!
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First off, the card is still a 7970. And on its own, it'll perform as well as any other 7970 at 1100/1650 or whatever it is. Its the promises and gimmicks, and ill explain.

Quotations are from the ASUS website.

1.
ROG MATRIX HD 7970: Jaw-dropping game thrills thanks to extreme overclocking
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Since when does 1100 give JAW DROPPING "GAME THRILLS" That any other 7970 wouldnt at similar clocks? It also gives the impression that other cards wont hit 1100.

2.
TweakIt

Instant voltage adjustment
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This just doesnt work at all. The buttons do nothing, it only changes a couple of lights on the PCB. Another lie.

3.
Safe Mode
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Again, this did nothing at all.

4.
DIGI+ VRM with 20-phase Super Alloy Power
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Does NOT matter until you're pushing 1600+ on the core with LN2 or Dice. OP is gonna do that?

5.
GPU Tweak

The world's first graphics overclocking tool with loadline calibration and VRM overclocking.
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Well this is just absolutely useless. I had a bug with it where the text would not show, i couldnt read what i was doing. The profile or "Flash feature" does not work. The LLC does not keep the voltage from drooping. You'll have to manually set your volts and OC every time you reboot. Some will say "ooh but you can use AB or Trixx to change clocks to save it" Well you still gotta use GPU tweak to change the volts to run said clocks because NOTHING ELSE IS COMPATIBLE WITH IT. Isnt that a PITA?

6. Blocks are more expensive and are somewhat hard to come by (The 7970 version was idk about the 280x ones).

7. With all these BELLS AND WHISTLES you'd think it would clock better than any other 7970 because that is what it IMPLIES on its website. But it doesnt, it straight out lies to people who buy it. That may or may not matter now because its now priced accordingly.

And finally, my 7970 Matrix did 1250/1750 with 10c ambients with quick 3dmark benches. My reference card with reference cooler does 1270-1300/1880 depending on the bench and 1380/1880 with a block. It absolutely trumps the Matrix, and at the time, the ref was cheaper than the Matrix.
 
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Lol this is the second 7970 thread you have hijacked and dragged to the gutter this week, and both of them are littered with deleted posts, you really are an asset to these forums, +1 internet to you good sir!!!
 
And none of your reasons are anything to do with how well the card overclocks according to your previous reply.

Is there a vote kick button around here somewhere?
 
To me - it just looks like you had a poor card

The one I had when they first came out did 1345/1900 and didn't break 70 degrees

I agree that Gpu Tweak sucks

For the price - the card is a no brainer for anyone wanting a air cooled 7970
 
You cant buy a non reference card and complain that specialized blocks are harder to come by and also more expensive.

The fact that it has better power management and higher quality components allow it to achieve higher OC but as its been said plenty of times in this thread, nothing can guarantee overclocks and if the GPU hits a wall before it makes full use of the better power management, then that is hardly the fault of Asus, since they do not guarantee it, because they cant.

Also i am sorry to tell you Rangerjr, but Kevin Bacon was in footloose.
 
Putting aside the problem(s) you've had, and obvious disappointment you feel about paying more than we have on offer today, the OP's asking which 7970 is best and isn't it obvious that right now the 7970 Matrix Platinum is without doubt the best priced 7970 you will find for the speed.

I don't see the point of attempting to discredit Asus claims for this card either. The OP may never overclock his card? At the end of the day, not everyone can be bothered or feel the need to overclock and already overclocked product.
 
Rangerjr1 don't you see that you could have just as easily have got a reference card that wouldn't even do 1050mhz stable? how would that have changed your opinion of the Matrix? 7970 were clocked officially at 925mhz reference speed for a reason.

You might have got lucky with your reference card but it's irresponsible to recommend everyone else buy one just assuming they'll have the same luck you did.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
You cant buy a non reference card and complain that specialized blocks are harder to come by and also more expensive.

The fact that it has better power management and higher quality components allow it to achieve higher OC but as its been said plenty of times in this thread, nothing can guarantee overclocks and if the GPU hits a wall before it makes full use of the better power management, then that is hardly the fault of Asus, since they do not guarantee it, because they cant.

Also i am sorry to tell you Rangerjr, but Kevin Bacon was in footloose.
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Hilarious.
 
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