NVIDIA announces GeForce GTX Holiday Bundle

Silent_Scone · 18 Oct 2013 at 10:20

^ Couldn't of said it better. Nvidia don't need to do anything. Nvidia will make reductions like they always do, when a new product line is introduced. Some of the comments in here make me laugh comparing "Never Settle to" anything Nvidia have ever done. Nvidia had game tie in deals going before AMD had even thought about the ATi merge.

humbug · 18 Oct 2013 at 13:40

Gregster said:
Why do they need to drop prices? Gibbo has already said how well they are selling....

Put it like this:

I own a shop and sell cakes (I love cakes). I sell 10 cakes at £1 each and they cost 50p to make, that is a fiver profit. A guy walks into my shop and tells me that my cakes are far too expensive and I should sell them cheaper. So I drop the price of cake to 80p each. Instead of a fiver profit, I now make £3 profit.

Probably the worst analogy ever but why would you drop the price of something that is selling and selling well?

I'm not looking at it from an angle that benefits Nvidia, i'm looking at it from the consumers point of view.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 13:46

humbug said:
I'm not looking at it from an angle that benefits Nvidia, i'm looking at it from the consumers point of view.

The thing is it will probably affect AMD more if nvidia lower prices.

AMD release new cards, this is the time where you maximise profits as they're at their highest price usually, nvidia come out with price cuts forcing AMD to lower their prices right off the bat, whereas nvidia have had 3-4 months of selling their 780's at £500+ prices.

Who wins?

SS-89 · 18 Oct 2013 at 13:50

humbug said:
I'm not looking at it from an angle that benefits Nvidia, i'm looking at it from the consumers point of view.

But you said they 'need' to drop prices due to the 280x etc matching performance. Like others have said they don't need to do anything if they are still selling well.

humbug · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:00

Suarez7 said:
The thing is it will probably affect AMD more if nvidia lower prices.

AMD release new cards, this is the time where you maximise profits as they're at their highest price usually, nvidia come out with price cuts forcing AMD to lower their prices right off the bat, whereas nvidia have had 3-4 months of selling their 780's at £500+ prices.

Who wins?

Why would you care so much about AMD or Nvidia?

It doesn't make any sense, are you happy to keep seeing your fuel bills going up because it benefits the big 6 providers?

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:03

humbug said:
Why would you care so much about AMD or Nvidia?

It doesn't make any sense, are you happy to keep seeing your fuel bills going up because it benefits the big 6 providers?

I don't care so much about either, I was just explaining why it wouldn't be good for AMD, the last thing we want is them going from making good profits to struggling again as this effects us the consumer!

Rusty0611 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:08

humbug said:
I'm not looking at it from an angle that benefits Nvidia, i'm looking at it from the consumers point of view.

There's no such thing. It's about profit. If AMD thought they could sell as many as NVIDIA at the same price point as NVIDIA they would do so.

Neither company really cares about the consumers point of view in the respect of letting them have an altruistic bargain at the expense of profit. They price based on what the market is willing to pay.

Jono8 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:09

Suarez7 said:
Nice to see them including new titles and not 2 year old ones

Indeed. The never settle bundle is becoming worthless in monetary terms ( still great if you want the games though of course)

shankly1985 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:10

Suarez7 said:
Nice to see them including new titles and not 2 year old ones

When Amd started there offer the games was new.

humbug · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:13

Suarez7 said:
I don't care so much about either, I was just explaining why it wouldn't be good for AMD, the last thing we want is them going from making good profits to struggling again as this effects us the consumer!

Anything that pushes AMD harder to become more competitive is good for AMD and good for us, AMD have had a lot of presure on them lately and the result of that is they keep improving, in many ways consistently out doing Nvidia.

Whats more, AMD's dependence on discrete GPU's is about 10% of their revenue, For Nvidia its more like 70%.

Lower margins will effect Nvidia far more than AMD.

Anyway, thats not the point i'm making, Pretty soon it looks like AMD will have a GTX Titan level card for half the price, you wouldn't be happy to stay like that would you, that is my point.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:14

shankly1985 said:
When Amd started there offer the games was new.

Which is precisely my point, it needs updating to the latest games considering you can only get a couple of quid back for most of the AMD ones. Those 3 nvidia titles above will net you about 50 quid.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:15

humbug said:
Lower margins will effect Nvidia far more than AMD.

Stopped reading here, it's becoming a chore to read your posts humbug.

shankly1985 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:18

Suarez7 said:
Which is precisely my point, it needs updating to the latest games considering you can only get a couple of quid back for most of the AMD ones. Those 3 nvidia titles above will net you about 50 quid.

What other games would they add right now tho? Them 3 from Nvidia are Nvidia games.
Bf4 is coming with a new Amd card "new game" that's £100 right there bf4 plus premium.
Amd just said a new bundle is on its way for r2x series.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:20

shankly1985 said:
What other games would they add right now tho? Them 3 from Nvidia are Nvidia games.
Bf4 is coming with a new Amd card "new game" that's £100 right there bf4 plus premium.
Amd just said a new bundle is on its way for r2x series.

I don't know it's not my decision, but if nvidia can do it who usually skimp on freebies then I'm sure AMD can come up with something.

humbug · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:21

Suarez7 said:
Stopped reading here, it's becoming a chore to read your posts humbug.

I explained why, no need for that.

Nvidia's largest chunk of business is based on discrete GPU's, for AMD its something on the side which makes up very little of their income, if they both loose margins of course it will effect Nvidia more than AMD.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:26

humbug said:
I explained why, no need for that.

Nvidia's largest chunk of business is based on discrete GPU's, for AMD its something on the side which makes up very little of their income, if they both loose margins of course it will effect Nvidia more than AMD.

They also have a larger share of the market and higher pricing, they don't need to sell the volumes AMD do to make the same profit. They could easily lower their prices to undercut AMD but nvidia seem to have this thing where they price their products higher to show them as some sort of premium solution.

It's not like AMD could just keep falling back to their CPU revenue for help either, Intel consistently trounce them in that too.

Gregster · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:29

We now have another AMD Vs Nvidia thread, even though the thread title is about the games that come free with Nvidia cards.

Consumers pay what they want and a couple of games thrown in are sweet and help sweeten the deal. Not a bad thing at all and all this waffle that Nvidia should be doing this and that is neither here nor there. Nvidia know what margins they make and have a whole table full of guru's deciding what to charge and I am sure they are paid handsomely for it.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:33

Gregster said:
We now have another AMD Vs Nvidia thread, even though the thread title is about the games that come free with Nvidia cards.

Consumers pay what they want and a couple of games thrown in are sweet and help sweeten the deal. Not a bad thing at all and all this waffle that Nvidia should be doing this and that is neither here nor there. Nvidia know what margins they make and have a whole table full of guru's deciding what to charge and I am sure they are paid handsomely for it.

but the OCUK experts know better than AMD and nvidia's marketing teams Greg. Surely you know this!

humbug · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:39

All i said was Nvidia need to lower prices, it then expended into this, Greg

Suarez7 said:
They also have a larger share of the market and higher pricing, they don't need to sell the volumes AMD do to make the same profit. They could easily lower their prices to undercut AMD but nvidia seem to have this thing where they price their products higher to show them as some sort of premium solution.

It's not like AMD could just keep falling back to their CPU revenue for help either, Intel consistently trounce them in that too.

AMD's dependants on Desktop CPU's is also minimal, its why they are ignoring that sector, they are concentrating on commercial compute, embedded and IP, which is where most of their revenue comes from, and its where their market share is growing.

By comparison, Nvidia depend on us buying their GPU's in high volumes at high prices

If Nvidia didn't have the higher volume and margins they couldn't sustain themselves, its a very precarious potion to be in. when you consider their costumer base is in decline, for Nvidia to keep up revenue levels they have to keep moving prices up, as volume declines, for AMD it makes little difference as it makes up so little of their revenue with their bread winning sector growing.

Suarez7 · 18 Oct 2013 at 14:41

Ok humbug you keep believing that a slight slip from nvidia will send them into a downwards spiral.

It's almost like you want nvidia to fail.