Charging for Self-Inflicted Injuries/Illness...

You should give 999 What's your emergency a watch on 4od.

It follows the paramedics as they deal with this, giving their actually opinion on it.

Everytime someone rings a ambulance for being too drunk it costs the NHS £250.
 
I think anyone who drinks\take drugs that much they need to be taken to hospital should be charge the going rate of about £1,000 a night.
 
Some people are just idiots.

I love drinking, used to love recreational drugs and, not once have I ever needed to go to hospital. I've messed myself up real good on rare occasions, whereby I will lie on my front and sleep it off, but I don't get how you can get so drunk you need to go to hospital.

I always vomited before I got that drunk, even that one time I was so drunk I couldn't walk or crawl.
 
UncleRuckus said:
Remove the NHS and i'm sure people would be more careful with their actions as they wouldn't want to directly pay for health insurance increase.
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Totally, which is why the USA has a population of perfectly healthy people.

Oh wai.....

Putting me off seeking medical treatment (via charging people) when ill (regardless as to how they became unwell) has the potential to let minor conditions become much more serious & much more expensive,
 
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platinum87 said:
He did not require any medical attention. That is my point and 99.999% of people like him did not require medical attention.
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I can't comment on the OP 'friend', but neither can you since neither of us know him or what happened to him. My experience and knowledge comes from working for the ambulance service, where does yours come from?

It's my opinion that a decent number of the people, who like the guy in the OP, have had too much to drink do actually require if not medical intervention then some kind of supervision for their own safety. Currently that can take place in 1 of 2 places (in most cities); A&E and the cells of the local cop shop. The Police are unwilling to place someone in custody unless they've been assessed as 'fit for custody' by a clinician due to a number of high profile deaths in custody so a good number of these people end up in A&E. If they weren't supervised in a controlled environment we would be picking them later on with exposure, injuries from an assault/accident, or when they've aspirated because they can't maintain their own airway.

Better all round they go somewhere safe asp soon as we know about them. That said I like the idea of LAS's 'drunk tank' as an alternative place of safety for these people.
 
I watched a program about this problem. The ambulance crew actually know some regular customers by name, they know it's a waste of time and that it can be intentional but they don't have a choice, they have to treat them. I could swear I heard them say each call out of an ambulance crew costs £250 and at the weekend 8 out of 10 calls are alcohol related.

It would drive me mad working with drunks all the time.
 
if people had to pay for self inflicted injurys the ammount of people getting their drink spiked will rocket and i presume that would not be classed as self induced.

the ones that **** me off is when ive been sat in A&E and you get the handcuffed drunks being dragged in shouting abuse at cops that get immediate treatment while you continue to wait... im guessing they get immediate attention unless the hospital has a quiet area to keep them chained up?

if somthing like this was to be implimented a workaround would be found just as quick... its no different to start charging criminals prison rent, its the people who end up in the situations that are the sort that cant/wont pay.
 
RDM said:
How do you distinguish between self induced diabetes and those who would have got it anyway?
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fat . lazy ones are likely self inflicted I'm sure there are ways to determine.

one of my ex's friends has type 2 diabetes and is always stuffing her obese face with cakes and unhealthy foods , gets taxi's to places less than half a mile away etc
they are also on dla....
 
Disco Boy said:
Do you intend to take that up with: smokers, fat people, people who don't exercise, people who play sport, people who go abroad, people who use the roads, people who don't use sun cream, people who drink alcohol, etc. etc. etc. ?
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Quite, many people who advocate charging for avoidable scenarios really mean 'avoidable scenarios that other people do, not the ones I do'.
 
arknor said:
fat . lazy ones are likely self inflicted I'm sure there are ways to determine.

one of my ex's friends has type 2 diabetes and is always stuffing her obese face with cakes and unhealthy foods , gets taxi's to places less than half a mile away etc
they are also on dla....
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No, you can say it is a likely contributor, you can not say for sure it was the cause. There are people with type 2 diabetes that do not eat unhealthily, so you cannot say with certainty that diet was the cause even if it is likely.
 
arknor said:
you can say it was the major contributing factor
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No you can't. You can say it was probably a major contributor. The fact that people get type 2 diabetes whilst having healthy lifestyles shows that it is not entirely diet related, therefore you cannot say with certainty that diet was the cause even they are unhealthy.
 
RDM said:
No you can't. You can say it was probably a major contributor. The fact that people get type 2 diabetes whilst having healthy lifestyles shows that it is not entirely diet related, therefore you cannot say with certainty that diet was the cause even they are unhealthy.
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yea really someone totally obese would have got it even if they were fit and healthy........... in a fraction of cases

If you are overweight or obese (you have a body mass index of 30 or greater), you are at greater risk of developing type 2 diabetes.

In particular, fat around your abdomen (tummy) puts you at increased risk. This is because it releases chemicals that can upset the body's cardiovascular and metabolic systems. This then increases your risk of a developing various conditions, including heart disease, stroke and some types of cancer.

A quick way of assessing your diabetes risk is to measure your waist. This is a measure of abdominal obesity, which is a particularly high-risk form of obesity.

Women have a higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes if their waist measures 31.5 inches (80cm) or more. Asian men with a waist size of 35 inches (90cm) or over have a higher risk, as do white or black men with a waist size of 37 inches (94cm) or over.

Reducing your body weight by about 5% and exercising regularly could reduce your risk of getting diabetes by more than 50%.
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along with everything else that comes with being obese

you know most people that size will be on dla as well they should be forced to attend regular exercise classes or have their benefits slashed.

we are far to passive when it comes to self inflicted medical conditions and are more likely to offer quick medical fixes or mobility scooters than to criticise someone for their lifestyle CHOICES
 
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Remember the days of driving around in sheds. Breaking down 200 miles from home and getting the AA to take me back. I know I paid a membership but it was free fuel sort off lol.
 
Mark A said:
How does it cost so much?
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Fuel, the wages, and I assume they tack a small equipment fee in sort of thing.

Going back to these drunk tents are whatever they are, I can't see them working. Anyone will be free to leave because unless you're going to give the people who run them legal rights to detain then they can't stop people leaving however if they do have the power to detain and people leave they'll be taken to the station anyway. Never going to work.
 
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