Texas Law Makes Sense?!?!?!?

semi-pro waster said:
For what it's worth we as individuals shouldn't be allowed to administer our own justice, that's what we've got a legal system for. We've derogated the right to administer our own justice so that it should be as fair and open to all as possible, not just for those who are powerful enough to administer their own.
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I would completely agree with this if the law was fair.

Of course the ability to implement a completely fair and impartial (and perfect) legal system is impossible but a system that regularly protects offenders is clearly not fit for purpose. So whilst I agree with the overarching principle of not taking the law into your own hands if a system protects a perpetrator it needs fixed, which never happens for whatever reason so these brief moments of sense gladden me and fill me with hope that the system as a whole will one day catch up.
 
The father most likely would not be prosecuted in the UK either as it seems his main purpose was to stop the attack and was the predator was subdued called 911 for an ambulance. The fit of rage causes him use excessive force but it is not like the attacker stood up with his hands above is head and the father then beat him to death.
 
No1newts said:
I would completely agree with this if the law was fair.

Of course the ability to implement a completely fair and impartial (and perfect) legal system is impossible but a system that regularly protects offenders is clearly not fit for purpose. So whilst I agree with the overarching principle of not taking the law into your own hands if a system protects a perpetrator it needs fixed, which never happens for whatever reason so these brief moments of sense gladden me and fill me with hope that the system as a whole will one day catch up.
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What do you mean that a system that protects the offenders is not suitable!? The legal system protects everyone, someone caught dropping litter deserves protection against murder.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Is that what he said or are you just putting words into his mouth? It's a bit like asking "so when did you stop beating your wife?".

It's also worth reading more of the article because in it the man called the police after the man was unconscious and no longer a threat - the fact that the offender subsequently died doesn't alter that he was within the bounds of the law. And contrary to popular belief he'd probably also be found not guilty in the UK as well, he might get charged with the crime of murder (more likely manslaughter) but it's unlikely he'd be convicted if it went to trial and the reasoning is broadly the same - he was acting in self-defence (for a loved one) and apparently stopped when they were no longer a threat.

If the beating was effectively for revenge or retribution and done after the offender had ceased to pose a threat then it might well be a different story although despite the headlines the UK law on self-defence is surprisingly flexible and forgiving - you've really got to go the extra mile if you are to be convicted of going beyond what was reasonable. It's also worth pointing out that this law in Texas might not save you if you indulge in a retribution beating/killing, no matter how justified you feel it is - the law there seems to allow "deadly force to stop an aggravated sexual assault" so again if the assault was over and you saw the offender in the street a day or two later then you're probably not going to rely on this law.

For what it's worth we as individuals shouldn't be allowed to administer our own justice, that's what we've got a legal system for. We've derogated the right to administer our own justice so that it should be as fair and open to all as possible, not just for those who are powerful enough to administer their own.
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Good post.

It's not 'good' when a person dies, neither is a father killing a paedophile was about to molest a child a good thing either.

What would have been good would be to live in a society the child wasn't abducted, was almost molested & had to potentially witness somebody get beaten to death.

Now, it most certainly is understandable completely, I'd do pretty much the exact same thing (as I wouldn't be thinking rationally at all) - but it doesn't make it a good thing.

The fact is, a child was still sexually assaulted & a human died which makes me hard to think it's a 'good' event.
 
D.P. said:
The father most likely would not be prosecuted in the UK either as it seems his main purpose was to stop the attack and was the predator was subdued called 911 for an ambulance. The fit of rage causes him use excessive force but it is not like the attacker stood up with his hands above is head and the father then beat him to death.
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Yeah it seems ok if the attacker did it completely by accident but actually beating him to death purposefully he should be fed to Polar Bear. Polar bears can struggle for food :)
 
Hyburnate said:
Yeah it seems ok if the attacker did it completely by accident but actually beating him to death purposefully he should be fed to Polar Bear. Polar bears can struggle for food :)
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To be fair, him calling an ambulance for him was a pretty decent thing to do - I'd even understand why he wouldn't have (right or wrong as it may be).
 
D.P. said:
The father most likely would not be prosecuted in the UK either as it seems his main purpose was to stop the attack and was the predator was subdued called 911 for an ambulance. The fit of rage causes him use excessive force but it is not like the attacker stood up with his hands above is head and the father then beat him to death.
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He'd still be charged, just manslaughter not murder.
 
D.P. said:
What do you mean that a system that protects the offenders is not suitable!? The legal system protects everyone, someone caught dropping litter deserves protection against murder.
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Read my above posts and you will see your point is redundant.
 
Hyburnate said:
People have no faith in the justice system, people should not take justice into their own hands. Yes it was a mistake on his part to kill him however he should not have been let to get away with it scot free.
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:confused::confused:....father should have been giving a reward for it imo.

Although it's regrettable that he died, would have been much better for him to rot in prison.
 
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No1newts said:
people who step outside the law shouldn't be protected by the law
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So if you had it your way, if you see a guy breaking into a window, he is "outside of the law", which in turn allows you to kill or physically harm this person?

The person could have lost their own keys, or be helping someone inside. This is part of the reason why we have courts, and a justice system is so we can determine who has actually committed a crime. It allows us to gather information and look at all the facts. Everyone should be allowed their day in court, without it a lot of innocent people would become injured or killed by vigilante mobs.
 
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