Jodie Marsh on Steroids on TLC
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It didn't really cover a lot of anything really, quite a poor showing.
Was expecting them to highlight that it's not a cheat/quick fix and that you have to be dedicated to workout's, and diet, possibly more so than naturally. I see to many young lads in the gym talking about taking them, and not doing anything in the gym other than socialising.
They showed one lad early 20's who had been cycling for 7 months to compete in his first show and seemed to focus on how strong they had made him... 110kg bench for 6/8.
They also had a "scientist" rubbish the claims of "Roid Rage" too. Then it pretty much just covered some women and focused on their increased size of the little man in the boat!
Was expecting them to highlight that it's not a cheat/quick fix and that you have to be dedicated to workout's, and diet, possibly more so than naturally. I see to many young lads in the gym talking about taking them, and not doing anything in the gym other than socialising.
They showed one lad early 20's who had been cycling for 7 months to compete in his first show and seemed to focus on how strong they had made him... 110kg bench for 6/8.
They also had a "scientist" rubbish the claims of "Roid Rage" too. Then it pretty much just covered some women and focused on their increased size of the little man in the boat!
pfft so they didn't mention holywood actors use off steroids either then..
no way some of them change so much between films naturally!
It was rubbish, Jodie Marsh said in her opinion Bodybuilding is better without Steroids, in my opinion Bodybuildig is better without Jodie Marsh.
That said, she did a photo shoot at my gym and was friendly with all the lads and didn't mind having he picture taken with a load of us.
That said, she did a photo shoot at my gym and was friendly with all the lads and didn't mind having he picture taken with a load of us.
Truth. She really is not special, well below average even.
You mean people didn't mind having their photo taken with her
Meh, watched it last night. Just reconfirmed my initial thoughts - would rather do it natural. However, each to their own.
The one message I did not like - Steroids = taboo
Steroids IS NOT the taboo in my opinion! Its the lies that come with it that cause the taboo! Nobody cares that Arnold did steroids or that Phil Heath does. Its common knowledge! Whats even more common knowledge is that you can't just stick a needle in your **** and wake up looking like Arnold. The effort, dedication, diet, workouts, routine and sacrifice that comes with changing your physique to that level is sometimes hard to imagine. Steroids is simply a tool in the arsenal that will ALLOW the body to adapt and recover quicker depending on the load/stress that you put it under.
The taboo isn't steroids, or in-fact the drugs that fall under the umbrella or "steroids", its the lies that come with it. I train with many friends who take steroids and know many more who take them but claim not too, the fact is that we all have a reason to do what we do.
We all have a goal and an objective. If that objective is to get bigger and do it faster than you can wait for it naturally, then surely no one can judge? Its surely no different to a woman getting breast implants? Or lip fillers? These appear to be far more open and accepted these days.. why?
The one message I did not like - Steroids = taboo
Steroids IS NOT the taboo in my opinion! Its the lies that come with it that cause the taboo! Nobody cares that Arnold did steroids or that Phil Heath does. Its common knowledge! Whats even more common knowledge is that you can't just stick a needle in your **** and wake up looking like Arnold. The effort, dedication, diet, workouts, routine and sacrifice that comes with changing your physique to that level is sometimes hard to imagine. Steroids is simply a tool in the arsenal that will ALLOW the body to adapt and recover quicker depending on the load/stress that you put it under.
The taboo isn't steroids, or in-fact the drugs that fall under the umbrella or "steroids", its the lies that come with it. I train with many friends who take steroids and know many more who take them but claim not too, the fact is that we all have a reason to do what we do.
We all have a goal and an objective. If that objective is to get bigger and do it faster than you can wait for it naturally, then surely no one can judge? Its surely no different to a woman getting breast implants? Or lip fillers? These appear to be far more open and accepted these days.. why?
Steroids is a taboo, hence the lies associated with it the only reason you feel the way you do is because you understand the effects, justifications and associated risks of them. For most people, they never will; because of the social taboo associated with steroids.
As for comparing plastic surgery to steroid usage, it's just not comparable. Surgery is used to cover up insecurities and alter physical appearance by simply changing the shape of muscles or skin, maybe an implant. Steroids changes your body's biological makeup, can change your personality, physical appearance and your health. You don't hear about people having plastic surgery then strangling their family, but you do hear about steroid users doing it! Not saying it was "roid rage" at all, but it's how average Joe perceives it from the media.
As for Jodie Marsh, I think the new Jodie is actual quite hot.......!
the only reason you feel the way you do is because you understand the effects, justifications and associated risks of them. For most people, they never will; because of the social taboo associated with steroids.As for comparing plastic surgery to steroid usage, it's just not comparable. Surgery is used to cover up insecurities and alter physical appearance by simply changing the shape of muscles or skin, maybe an implant. Steroids changes your body's biological makeup, can change your personality, physical appearance and your health. You don't hear about people having plastic surgery then strangling their family, but you do hear about steroid users doing it! Not saying it was "roid rage" at all, but it's how average Joe perceives it from the media.
As for Jodie Marsh, I think the new Jodie is actual quite hot.......!
For me personally and professionally, steroids are irrelevant in the discussion when it comes to the world of physique sports.
Its also not just steroids, its also "cutting agents" that allow people to stay lean or get super lean faster for competition. They are everywhere and its got to the point now where i genuinely don't know who takes them and who doesn't.
There are so many people lying about it these days that i now can't be bothered to interrogate the claims of natural or not. Being natural or not now doesn't really bother me. The lies still do, to some extent, but its more pity than anything. I just don't understand why people can't be honest about it…
I can honestly say I have managed to achieve everything thus far by being 100% natural (my claim to what is natural by someone else might be different) e.g. I use creatine, protein etc. I have no issue with steroids its just as mentioned the above, the lies from the industry. It gives so many people false hopes - that a stage physique is possible for a muscle model is near enough impossible with the aid of naught sauce - yet everyone is adamant and go out of their way to claim they are natural.
It's a bit like wrestling, everyone knows it's fake but no one will ever come out and say it.
Its also not just steroids, its also "cutting agents" that allow people to stay lean or get super lean faster for competition. They are everywhere and its got to the point now where i genuinely don't know who takes them and who doesn't.
There are so many people lying about it these days that i now can't be bothered to interrogate the claims of natural or not. Being natural or not now doesn't really bother me. The lies still do, to some extent, but its more pity than anything. I just don't understand why people can't be honest about it…
I can honestly say I have managed to achieve everything thus far by being 100% natural (my claim to what is natural by someone else might be different) e.g. I use creatine, protein etc. I have no issue with steroids its just as mentioned the above, the lies from the industry. It gives so many people false hopes - that a stage physique is possible for a muscle model is near enough impossible with the aid of naught sauce - yet everyone is adamant and go out of their way to claim they are natural.
It's a bit like wrestling, everyone knows it's fake but no one will ever come out and say it.
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Irrelevant in what way?
I agree with your final point, I'm actually quite honest with my usage. I don't freely tell everyone, but if I get along with somebody and they ask, I'll normally 'admit' it (not that I feel it's a dirty secret). But then I do it for myself and no one else; I could understand why someone "in the industry" would never want to admit it.
You say people accept the fact Arnie and Phil Heath are users, but don't forget the fact Phil has never admitted it, and Arnie didn't until his autobiography iirc. So certainly enough to show that neither think it's wise to admit it at the peak/during their professional career, as it simply won't be well received.
I agree with your final point, I'm actually quite honest with my usage. I don't freely tell everyone, but if I get along with somebody and they ask, I'll normally 'admit' it (not that I feel it's a dirty secret). But then I do it for myself and no one else; I could understand why someone "in the industry" would never want to admit it.
You say people accept the fact Arnie and Phil Heath are users, but don't forget the fact Phil has never admitted it, and Arnie didn't until his autobiography iirc. So certainly enough to show that neither think it's wise to admit it at the peak/during their professional career, as it simply won't be well received.
Agree admitting it does more harm than good. Phil admitting would likely loose his sponsor -Muscletech. It's this misconception, it's almost the major sponsors want you to believe its possible to achieve that by using their product alone. Poor yet at the same time excellent marketing.
Anyway .... I believe it's irrelevant because 99.9% of people need to use in order to achieve anything in the industry.
It's just the ones that go out their way to force it upon you that they are natural - they make a point of purposely go out their way. Phil never claims to be natural, yet he never says he is using. It's a given and an subject that is not approached.
Anyway .... I believe it's irrelevant because 99.9% of people need to use in order to achieve anything in the industry.
It's just the ones that go out their way to force it upon you that they are natural - they make a point of purposely go out their way. Phil never claims to be natural, yet he never says he is using. It's a given and an subject that is not approached.
I don't think he needs to. It's implied. He's not going to openly talk about it as it would reflect badly on the sport if it seemed like he was encouraging it, but certainly he'd never deny it.
Steroids are as Wills says, a massive taboo. People lie because of the stigma that is associated with them. For example, you tell a girl you're on steroids, straight away she'll assume you have a tiny penis due to the gear, and you're likely to beat seven shades of poo out of her at regular intervals. Because mainstream media will have you believe that steroids shrink your junk, and that steroids give you uncontrollable 'roid rage, when in reality, it's quite the opposite. The only people that suffer with the majority of issues you hear about are the sort of people that were quite violent people anyway.
I agree with kai that it's annoying when people lie about it, but unfortunately, contracts and endorsements prevent a lot of people from being able to admit it. It's the elephant in the room, everyone knows people are using in your industry kai, and every other part of the fitness industry, but no one wants to admit it. Why would a supplement company want you thinking it's all to do with the gear and not their products?
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If people knew the risks effects and overall picture better without all the smearing that the press had, steroids would be better accepted for a lot of people. I (for the moment) am still vehemently against them if used in competition. If it's for the sake of vanity, well it's no different to a boob job or whatever - it's your body do whatever you want with it - as long as you're not putting an unnecessary load on the NHS if you **** up your body - no different to my views on people who smoke and drink to excess.
Ultimately, if used safely and with proper knowledge there's nothing "wrong" with them per se, I don't see the fascination personally, but I know what vanity means and as such can see why people would chase that path. It's like any drug or substance. Abuse will lead to bad things, and unfortunately the way the press works is that it's the abuse that gets publicised rather than anything else.
Remember that most steroids, certainly the likes of anavar, dbol etc... were first invented and used to help promote hypertrophy of chronically ill (usually cancer) patients to allow them to maintain muscle mass and stop their bodies from falling to pieces. So they have clinical backing, if used in a sensible way they clearly and obviously enhance the body and if used in greater quantities can push the body beyond it's natural limit (which is what makes me feel uncomfortable).
I don't think the bashing of steroids is fair, but at the same time, blacklisting it in sports is important to maintain. If not, then 2 leagues should be set up - but the problem then will lead to people pushing themselves too hard (with excessive quantities of steroids) and drop like flies.
Our bodies are still evolving and continue to do so - I'd rather not affect that - however chasing those dreams are also important things for people to strive for.
I'm not going to judge people for using them, but I do judge people for their attitudes towards them. i.e. I have some friends who are very quiet about it, have regular blood tests and regular monitoring and are beyond strict in their diet and behaviour - and are achieving subtle but good results. I know other people (no one here just in case you're wondering) who wilfully chat about it, go mad, and several have had to stop, and ended up with all sorts of issues.
People make their choices, as long as they're careful and honest it's all good.
Ultimately, if used safely and with proper knowledge there's nothing "wrong" with them per se, I don't see the fascination personally, but I know what vanity means and as such can see why people would chase that path. It's like any drug or substance. Abuse will lead to bad things, and unfortunately the way the press works is that it's the abuse that gets publicised rather than anything else.
Remember that most steroids, certainly the likes of anavar, dbol etc... were first invented and used to help promote hypertrophy of chronically ill (usually cancer) patients to allow them to maintain muscle mass and stop their bodies from falling to pieces. So they have clinical backing, if used in a sensible way they clearly and obviously enhance the body and if used in greater quantities can push the body beyond it's natural limit (which is what makes me feel uncomfortable).
I don't think the bashing of steroids is fair, but at the same time, blacklisting it in sports is important to maintain. If not, then 2 leagues should be set up - but the problem then will lead to people pushing themselves too hard (with excessive quantities of steroids) and drop like flies.
Our bodies are still evolving and continue to do so - I'd rather not affect that - however chasing those dreams are also important things for people to strive for.
I'm not going to judge people for using them, but I do judge people for their attitudes towards them. i.e. I have some friends who are very quiet about it, have regular blood tests and regular monitoring and are beyond strict in their diet and behaviour - and are achieving subtle but good results. I know other people (no one here just in case you're wondering) who wilfully chat about it, go mad, and several have had to stop, and ended up with all sorts of issues.
People make their choices, as long as they're careful and honest it's all good.
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