Tipping

I expect a decent level of service as standard to be honest.

Recently I went out eating, and the waitress was absolutely lovely. She really helped make the night extremely pleasant and I was happy to tip a bit. Think it came to around 76 euros so I left the change from 80 euros. Not a lot (5.2%?) but to have given more would have required actively fishing out more money. :o

inb4 tight ass.
 
I don't agree with the concept of tipping at all, on the other hand it's one of the only socially acceptable ways of giving a stranger a bit of cash to help them out without it being weird.

I'd prefer to not have to tip (due to the unfair nature that not all low paid jobs have the added benefit of tipping).
 
sports_brah said:
I expect a decent level of service as standard to be honest.

Recently I went out eating, and the waitress was absolutely lovely. She really helped make the night extremely pleasant and I was happy to tip a bit. Think it came to around 76 euros so I left the change from 80 euros. Not a lot (5.2%?) but to have given more would have required actively fishing out more money. :o

inb4 tight ass.
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You have a tight ass. ;)

Tipped 15% today at lunch. Bill was ~£50.

elmarko said:
I don't agree with the concept of tipping at all, on the other hand it's one of the only socially acceptable ways of giving a stranger a bit of cash to help them out without it being weird.

I'd prefer to not have to tip (due to the unfair nature that not all low paid jobs have the added benefit of tipping).
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Wait, what? YOU don't agree with tipping?? The voluntary redistribution of wealth? :/
 
arknor said:
so the difference between a tip and not is whether someone takes your order whilst you are seated or not?
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Sets the table for me, brings me drinks while I decide on what to eat, brings me my food and clears away each course, checks I have everything I need throughout the entire meal...

But we both know you're just intentionally pretending that there aren't many differences between McDonalds service and restaurant service to try and back up your point.
 
so they do the job as expected , nothing more and are worthy of a tip?

why are they more worthy than the guy at whatever sports shop that runs around the stock room hunting a pair of trainers in your size
 
arknor said:
so they do the job as expected , nothing more and are worthy of a tip?

why are they more worthy than the guy at whatever sports shop that runs around the stock room hunting a pair of trainers in your size
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Basher said:
Who's suggesting that? Most people are tipping for better than expected...
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Pretty much sums it up. There's a Shawshank Redemption quote that is quite apt here.
 
Theophany said:
Wait, what? YOU don't agree with tipping?? The voluntary redistribution of wealth? :/
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:p

Indeed, but I think the pay should be high enough so that people don't feel obligated to tip (not just being a cheapskate lol).

The only reason we tip some people & not others is due to what's considered socially acceptable, it's just how society has developed.
 
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Theophany said:
It's a fair point, I'm just trying to work within the framework we got, not pretending we have your filthy, disgusting socialist utopia! :mad::mad:

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Don't get me wrong, I often tip as I'm aware the person who is serving me earns a pittance comparatively, but if I wouldn't expect people on low incomes or minimum wage to tip at all - I also find the expectation of a tip somewhat vulgar (which is what I don't like about the culture in the USA).

Really it's a very poor method of redistribution at best, not to mention dictated by arbitrary social constructs & washing over existing social problems.

Also, you know secretly that a socialist utopia would be awesome - we've all seen Star Trek :cool:

Imagine how bad it would be if we had this.

"I just cant do it captain - we've overdrawn on our budget & can't afford any dilithium crystals." - or "I'm a doctor, not a hedge fund manager!" - it wouldn't be the same :(
 
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elmarko said:
Don't get me wrong, I often tip as I'm aware the person who is serving me earns a pittance comparatively, but if I wouldn't expect people on low incomes or minimum wage to tip at all - I also find the expectation of a tip somewhat vulgar (which is what I don't like about the culture in the USA).

Really it's a very poor method of redistribution at best, not to mention dictated by arbitrary social constructs & washing over existing social problems.

Also, you know secretly that a socialist utopia would be awesome - we've all seen Star Trek :cool:

Imagine how bad it would be if we had this.

"I just cant do it captain - we've overdrawn on our budget & can't afford any dilithium crystals." - or "I'm a doctor, not a hedge fund manager!" - it wouldn't be the same :(
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I don't disagree that the expectance of a tip is wrong. If the level of service is crap, there's no way I'd tip and- heck - if the level of service is just acceptable I certainly wouldn't tip over what the restaurant stipulates as a service charge (usually 12.5%?).

In fairness, there's likely an extra self-interested dimension. A lot of the places I've had exceptional service, I end up becoming a regular and asking to deal with the specific person that gave me the exceptional service in the first place. That way I know I'm getting amazing service every time and I get to tip well over the odds to ease my filthy ass capitalist conscience.

Jobs for the boys, when you think of it like that. ;)
 
arknor said:
but only better than expected in certain places for specific jobs that don't apply to other professions that have similar employees ?
makes no sense
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Actually, a large number of professions and industries give their employees bonuses based on performance. The money is still coming from the clients, the "tips" are just decided internally rather than by each client.
 
I was at a fancy tapas place a few months back, the bill for 2 came to about £80 quid with drinks.

I was actually doing to tip them till i put my card in the machine and it asked me for a tip which really got on my goat, so i rounded it up to the next pound, and tipped them about 30p.

I dont agree with tipping as a general rule, put your prices up and pay your staff better and have quality staff. Or don't.

I do tip if i feel ive put the staff /chef out, and they've been accommodating, otherwise forget it.
 
arknor said:
Nope never watched if but if I am then he raises a valid point
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Mr pinks argument is my default position. Its an inherent economic issue in the US it seems , pay your staff appropriately and make sure they are good at thier job.

Tipping as a matter of course only encorages unscrupulous employers to pay lower wages.
 
If the service was good I'll leave a tip, lately though I've found our servers to be too 'clingy?' I don't need asking every 2 minutes if the food is good or would i like a refill.
 
mattyfez said:
Mr pinks argument is my default position. Its an inherent economic issue in the US it seems , pay your staff appropriately and make sure they are good at thier job.

Tipping as a matter of course only encorages unscrupulous employers to pay lower wages.
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in the USA waitresses get under minimum wage then the tips have to make up the difference to minimum wage or the employee has to pay them the actual minimum wage.

it's a ridiculous system they have going and I can almost understand why people tip them because if they don't get the tips the employee will hire someone who can.

but over here there is non of that and no extra pressure to perform
 
arknor said:
but only better than expected in certain places for specific jobs that don't apply to other professions that have similar employees ?
makes no sense
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Talk me through the professions that have similar employees to waiters/waitresses that don't get tips ...
 
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