Is charity fund raising a waste of time?

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I was at work today and was hounded about doing something for Red Nose day, I refused to do anything physical except hold a bucket.

I said charity is crap, my colleague was shocked by this, but all the money raised is spent on Terry Wogan or guns for Africian War Lords anyway so it is a complete waste of money.

Does anyone else hate charities like me?

All the costs on admin and stuff is appalling, don't even get me started on CEO Charity salaries. :rolleyes:

I mean my colleague worked for a charity before hand in an admin role, I mean Jesus how did she live with herself knowing that she was sponging off of good honest donations.
 
Yes, I think they're ridiculous and I think anyone who puts themself out for raising money either has time to burn or has money to burn. But then again, I'm heartless :p
 
From the view of the person donating:

"20% of the donation is admin and advertising, what a waste"

From the view of the charity:

"Spending 20% rather than 5% on admin and advertising, brought in substantially more money to be spent on the cause"


Its not very clear cut, and I don't know what side of the argument I agree with.
 
From the view of the person donating:

"20% of the donation is admin and advertising, what a waste"

From the view of the charity:

"Spending 20% rather than 5% on admin and advertising, brought in substantially more money to be spent on the cause"


Its not very clear cut, and I don't know what side of the argument I agree with.

Then you have to factor in the true cost: - What actually reaches the needy?
 
The problem I have is there is only so much money to donate, so charities spend increasing quantities of cash out competing each other for that charity money.

I suppose it's like when the tobacco companies stopped advertising, their profits went up.
 
Then you have to factor in the true cost: - What actually reaches the needy?

Having spoken to someone from a very large well known charity which uses some very expensive analytical software (met them on a conference for users of this software), i'm led to believe in their case it's more like 60-70% operating costs (!!!!) with the remainder going to said charity with whatever poster campaign is on at the time.

Recently got into a disagreement at work after I wouldn't pay for someone to go skydiving (minimum total funding is £300 with skydive taking £240 of that!). Felt very negative afterwards but it's a matter of principle for me.
 
In some cases yes, in others no.

From my limited knowledge of most things (especially charities) I dont believe they are audited to see where the money goes.

They really should be if they are not already, as far too much gets soaked up before it gets to the people they are apparently trying to help (not before they help themselves to some cash for their time of course).
 
If i was PM i was pass a law to completely BAN chuggers from our streets

Apparently they aren't allowed to hassle us on the streets these days due to some sort of ruling, usually see the ones in my town just standing around looking unhappy and bored. Seems a bit of a shame, surely they could find something more productive to do that would impact charity a little better.
 
Apparently they aren't allowed to hassle us on the streets these days due to some sort of ruling, usually see the ones in my town just standing around looking unhappy and bored. Seems a bit of a shame, surely they could find something more productive to do that would impact charity a little better.

Dance?
 
I re-evaluated the charities I support a while back. It's pretty easy to see which charities are spending the money effectively and which ones are spending their income on huge salaries and bonuses for directors, or sitting on huge piles of cash, doing little with it.

It always annoys me when I'm pestered in the street... I use the Give As You Earn scheme to maximise my contributions and as far as I'm concerned, I give what I can afford every month to the causes I care most about. If I gave more money to everyone who was begging for it, I'd be skint!
 
I agree that charities like Red Nose Day, Children In Need etc ought to have their effectiveness tested, and the "third sector" has become a bit of a gravy train for the one percenters. However the footage and stories coming out of the Philippines right now is just awful and moved me to make a donation to www.dec.org.uk this morning.
 
I like charities a lot however I'm not a fan of street collectors.

From my experience of working with charities there are other way of funding, for example I once worked as a support worker for a braille translation company, which was infact the business side of a charity so the profits went to the third sector from the private sector.

The second example would hold evening events and invite prestigious members of society for a free evening of entertainment with food and drink and they would donate. Then a percent of that money raised would be invested into the market, always on things which do not harm people.
 
I much prefer to donate online than via street collectors. If everyone did the same, charities could be much more efficient.
 
Some charities work, others don't and are a complete waste/unfeasible.

Take Innocent's 'Big Knit' for example; 25p donated to whoever for every bottle sold with a hat. Granted its an ad campaign but it seems half the populace has fallen for it. Not only do the raw knitting materials cost 25p but you've then got P&P costs, handling costs at the other end, let alone the costs of marketing the campaign. If they donated £1million it probably cost £100million of non-gift aided spend. So pointless.
 
Some charities work, others don't and are a complete waste/unfeasible.

Take Innocent's 'Big Knit' for example; 25p donated to whoever for every bottle sold with a hat. Granted its an ad campaign but it seems half the populace has fallen for it. Not only do the raw knitting materials cost 25p but you've then got P&P costs, handling costs at the other end, let alone the costs of marketing the campaign. If they donated £1million it probably cost £100million of non-gift aided spend. So pointless.

that is one of the stupidest campaigns i have seen in costs vs benefits, didnt know it was sucessful

i hate any kind of blackmail/begging! this is most apparent at work. Nothing worse than having a sponsor form shoved under your nose
 
Most charities spend the money on utterly stupid things.

Give a man a fish and he can feed his family for a day, give him a fishing rod and he can feed himself for life.......

but you put the local guy who sells fishing rods out of business, when that rod breaks the guy who use to fix them doesn't have his tools anymore as his business died. Then when everyone sucks all the fish out of the local lake, they've stopped growing as much food, and are now starving again.

I made that up entirely, but this IS what happened with mosquito nets, some country got a bunch free, put the locals out of business, they all get ripped and they can't get replacements. Charity thinks short term and stupid not long term and sensible.

Get all the money together in one big pot from all charities, send a team over to teach a workforce of guys how to build sewers, use the money to pay locals to have a job, which stimulates the local economy while building infrastructure.

Infrastructure is what allows western worlds to thrive and grow by allowing us to move good around, get food where it needs to be, keep streets clean and people healthy. WE throw the basics at them which just essentially "keeps them down", if we help pay for massive infrastructure changes, their lives will improve slowly, but permanently.

The vast majority of charity is wasted on people who will die anyway basically, rather than on improving the country long term so people won't constantly be dying to start with.

This is before you get in to the ******* catholics, their political power. They offer infrastructure for charities simply because they've been there for so long that they have channels for getting food to people and medical supplies, plus, you know, silly money. But they use this to influence what other charities do.

Charity X has Y amount of money lets say 1mil, they can spend 1 mil on aid, or 500k on aid and 500k on personnel and transport to get it there. Some Catholic church offers space on the planes they are already sending with aid, and transport over there, and security, so the charity puts it all into aid, which is great, But they only offer this support if they agree to not give out condoms, and don't teach people that having loads of kids is bad, etc, etc.

This isn't all aid and it's probably lessening as a problem but has been a significantly problem for decades, while Africa was being ravaged by aids, the Catholic church was telling them all condoms were bad and to have loads of kids, they made the problem worse.
 
Some charities work, others don't and are a complete waste/unfeasible.

Take Innocent's 'Big Knit' for example; 25p donated to whoever for every bottle sold with a hat. Granted its an ad campaign but it seems half the populace has fallen for it. Not only do the raw knitting materials cost 25p but you've then got P&P costs, handling costs at the other end, let alone the costs of marketing the campaign. If they donated £1million it probably cost £100million of non-gift aided spend. So pointless.

I was wondering about this.

I like the idea of the little hats, but if anyone actually sat down to work it out, i'd guess that for every £2/3 spent, 10p would be made.

Still, I like some of those funny little hats ;)
 
Didn't Bono's charity collect £15,000,000 but only gave less than £200,000 of it to charities. Rest was spent on salaries and corporate gifts.

Was only 2/3 years ago I think
 
On a smaller scale a bloke I know with his girlfriend recently did a tandem sky dive and they raised £700 which sounds quite admirable but the problem was they had to pay £400 of it to do the jump.

If I go back to the 80s I did my first jump with 19 other people and we collected £1,100 but we didn't know that our training was £50 each until after we did it.
 
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