Indiana Jones, it just clicked.

Sliver said:
You're completely wrong. Did I mention any other movies ? No I did not. You are creating a straw man fallacy. Every movie is judged independently.

The point I was making, which you missed, was that the IJ movies were always tongue in cheek action movies. They never pretended to be anything else. So, as such, you should view them through that lens.

I would not apply the same reasoning to other movies. For example, if I was watching Lincoln which came out earlier this year, my lens would be that this is a mostly factual movie about the struggle to abolish slavery in the 1860's. Hence, I would leave my popcorn in the cupboard and judge the film in a more critical light. If I saw aliens and Nazis running around with the Arc in Lincoln, I would certainly be very critical. ;)
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Sigh. It takes a certain level of directorship to make you suspend disbelief... and a person is willing to do that when the other pieces of the movie fit into place. Indie 4 was a bad film, thus suspension of disbelief is nigh-on impossible because your flow of acceptance is constantly being challenged by things that instead of make you think "awesome", instead make you think "that sucks".

That's why your argument about suspending disbelief on all movies of this type isn't realistic. Only a good movie allows you to do that.
 
Vonhelmet said:
IJ imdb ratings:

Raiders: 8.6
Temple: 7.6
Crusade: 8.3
Crystal Skull: 6.3

Says it all.
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I still can't help feeling that's slightly generous to the fourth one, it's not the worst film ever made but if 5 was a mark for a film that was completely average then Kingdom of the Crystal Skull should be below average.

I've got a boxed set of the first three and I'm not even considering getting the fourth - my film collection isn't what you might even politely call discerning and yet I still wouldn't buy it.
 
Richdog said:
Sigh. It takes a certain level of directorship to make you suspend disbelief... and a person is willing to do that when the other pieces of the movie fit into place. Indie 4 was a bad film, thus suspension of disbelief is nigh-on impossible because your flow of acceptance is constantly being challenged by things that instead of make you think "awesome", instead make you think "that sucks".

That's why your argument about suspending disbelief on all movies of this type isn't realistic. Only a good movie allows you to do that.
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meh !

No point in talking to you. lol

*pats richdog on head*

Now run along silly doggy. :)
 
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First of all, the fourth film ISN'T entertaining, the action is woeful, the acting is woeful, the story is woeful.

But by your logic, because the first Matrix is set mostly inside a computer world, had they all broken out to the surface and ridden flying panda's to the AI city and had the panda's crap out pumpkins, which when they hit the surface actually turn out to be small nuclear devices.......... would be fine.

Tongue in cheek or not, the first three films were essentially based on the rules of OUR planet earth and whenever anything that was slightly supernatural happened, they explained it. The father got shot, they acted as if he was dying, because bullets are deadly in our world. Watch any of them and 99% of what happens only makes sense if it's based on the laws of physics we live by. The things that aren't in our world, were introduced and explained what they were. THis is how story telling works no matter what you think. Tolkein world, much of it is the same as ours, trees, food, cooking, houses, but the differences, species, magic etc, all explained then it makes sense, simple as that. Essentially he tells you "this is a film with magical monsters in it", thus when a magical type monster, a balrog maybe, appears... you don't go "wtf was that". When Frodo gets stabbed, we know why he didn't die because we had it explained to us that mithril is crazy strong and the best armour to be made. Take that part out, and the reaction/acceptance of his armour would be another "wtf" moment.

AS above though, a 90% great film, you ignore/accept some inaccurate stuff, that is fine, but when the film is not at all entertaining and completely crap, the nonsense stuff simply adds to the rest and piles up as another reason you hate it, not THE reason you hate it.

People blindly ignore that 90% of stuff that happens in any kind of media only make sense based on how you already perceive the world. If something seems normal, it's seamless to the story and makes it better, if something happens that makes no sense, it's jarring and the story is less immersive. The first 10 mins of most films explain to you what the difference between film world vs your world is to put you into this world.
 
drunkenmaster said:
THis is how story telling works no matter what you think.
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People would do well to watch, I don't know, something like Back To The Future or something and see how it deals with something unreal like time travel. It shows it to the audience, explains it, and then gets on with it. It doesn't matter that the explanation doesn't make sense in a strictly scientific sense, because the film has presented it as real and a scientist character has explained that it works, so in that world it works and the audience accepts that it is possible within the universe of that film.

When Indiana Jones gets in the fridge in Crystal Skull, all we get is a brief shot of a tag on the fridge door that says "Lead lined". Now, I don't know whether anyone has ever produced a lead lined fridge, I can't think of any reason why you would, but given that googling for such a thing only leads to results about that scene, I'm going to guess not. So already it seems a bit silly. There's been no explanation about this magic fridge. Nothing to suggest that sitting inside it will protect him from the searing heat or the shockwave of a nuclear blast, or from bouncing around inside it after being thrown hundreds of feet in the air, which would stand a good chance of liquefying him. "Foam lined" would have been more use. The most we can take home is that the fridge is lead lined so he is safe from the radiation, but how many people at ground zero of a nuclear explosion die from radiation poisoning? Not many. Most are too busy being vaporised where they stand.

It is not just bad physics that is the problem here, it is bad storytelling. There is nothing to telegraph to the audience that this fridge is somehow imbued with nuke proof powers, so when something physically impossible happens the audience has no reason to accept it.

Besides, it's only in there because they originally considered the time machine in, guess what, Back To The Future being a fridge that Marty had to get into but they were worried about kids climbing into fridges and getting stuck, and they wanted to get round to using the general idea at some point.
 
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Vonhelmet said:
You've got form for enjoying all sorts of dross so...
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Too bloody right:

At the moment the crap I'm watching are:
The Walking Dead - why do I bother?
Hostages
The Blacklist
Person of Interest
Dracula
Almost Human
Homeland
Sleep Hollow - oh my
Arrow
Tomorrow People
Revolution
Agents Of Shield - I can't remember one episode it's that rubbish

I need help.
 
What's your point?

That you enjoy utter tripe doesn't preclude your also enjoying more credible stuff. It just means you are seemingly without any discernment.
 
Vonhelmet said:
What's your point?

That you enjoy utter tripe doesn't preclude your also enjoying more credible stuff. It just means you are seemingly without any discernment.
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Well what would you call good and tripe from my list?
This should be good.
Perhaps you should go and look at IMDB scores before you comment and then follow the sheep :D
 
I've barely seen anything on your list, as it goes, save TWD (seasons 1 and 3 very good, season 2 less so, but not so bad as people like to make out and AoS (boring).

That's still not my point. Even if everything on your list were excellent, and it may be, that wouldn't get past the fact that you've championed rubbish in the past, or make any sort of case for Crystal Skull being a good film.

And imdb is not infallible. Nor is rotten tomatoes. Crystal Skull isn't a 6.3 film, and it's a mystery that 88% of critics have it a positive review.
 
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Dimple said:
in your opinion
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No it is crap...Any sane semi intelligent Human being can conclude that the Fourth film is dreadful.

The fourth film ISN'T entertaining, the action is woeful, the acting is woeful, the story is woeful. The CGI is dreadful, The jungle tarzan scene is laughable...Its a turd from start to finish.

This is not up for debate....Now off with your head! :D
 
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