SNP Referendum Nonsense

Schlong&Stable · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:21

I was born in Scotland, but live in England. As such, I am ineligible to vote in the referendum, but am automatically entitled to a passport if they achieve independence.

Someone who was born in England, but lives in Scotland, is entitled to vote in the referendum, but not automatically entitled to a Scottish passport.

:confused:

I am sincerely hoping that the SNP lose the referendum, as I am a staunch unionist. However, if they do win, what passport should I take? I consider myself Scottish, but I have no desire to be part of a state which refused me the right to vote on my nations future. I also resent that an English/Irish/Dutch/ person who lives in Scotland can vote on the issue and still retain their respective nationality. It just seems like a way for the SNP to bolster their numbers.

AtreuS · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:22

I wouldn't worry.... there aren't enough idiots in Scotland to actually vote yes for it.

hang on.............. :eek:

TheMightyTen · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:29

Oh good god, now you've loosed Biohazard on us again

scorza · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:29

Thompson_NCL said:
I was born in Scotland, but live in England. As such, I am ineligible to vote in the referendum, but am automatically entitled to a passport if they achieve independence.

Someone who was born in England, but lives in Scotland, is entitled to vote in the referendum, but not automatically entitled to a Scottish passport.

If you've lived in Scotland for 5 or more years surely applying for and obtaining citizenship would be a formality under EU rules.

robfosters · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:32

TheMightyTen said:
Oh good god, now you've loosed Biohazard on us again

He is preparing his 10,000 word response as we speak.

Columbo · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:39

robfosters said:
He is preparing his 10,000 word response as we speak.

I hope so, I didnt sleep well last night and could do with something to help me nap.

Cosimo · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:42

robfosters said:
He is preparing his 10,000 word response as we speak.

... and that's just for the first paragraph.

Schlong&Stable · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:52

scorza said:
If you've lived in Scotland for 5 or more years surely applying for and obtaining citizenship would be a formality under EU rules.

This assumes that Scotland will be admitted into the EU as a matter of course. The EU has indicated that Scotland would need to apply just the same as anyone else, and this means their budget etc. will be scrutinised.

I assume they WOULD get into the EU, but it may not be immediate and it may cause chaos in the interim.

Freakbro · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:52

Will we have to change the Union Flag if they do vote yes?

jas72 · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:55

When I lived in Scotland I used to want this independence but now I don't really care there's more to worry about in life.

I think Scotland has a good deal at the moment. However independence would give us one less tier of government which would be a good thing, this is kind of swaying my vote.

oh wait...

I'm a scot outside Scotland so don't get a say....

Still could be worse than being Scottish and that's being from the north of England man do these guys get a raw deal.

Edrof · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:55

I hope so, Freakbro. I vote for a naked, glittery Kelly Brook astride a red lion, eating a bacon sandwich and quaffing some real ale.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Nov 2013 at 12:58

scorza said:
If you've lived in Scotland for 5 or more years surely applying for and obtaining citizenship would be a formality under EU rules.

It's really not that simple at all. I was born and lived in the UK for 26 years and it'll still cost me four figures to get a UK passport.

alx · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:02

Thompson_NCL said:
I was born in Scotland, but live in England. As such, I am ineligible to vote in the referendum, but am automatically entitled to a passport if they achieve independence.

Someone who was born in England, but lives in Scotland, is entitled to vote in the referendum, but not automatically entitled to a Scottish passport.

I am sincerely hoping that the SNP lose the referendum, as I am a staunch unionist. However, if they do win, what passport should I take? I consider myself Scottish, but I have no desire to be part of a state which refused me the right to vote on my nations future. I also resent that an English/Irish/Dutch/ person who lives in Scotland can vote on the issue and still retain their respective nationality. It just seems like a way for the SNP to bolster their numbers.

They do it this way because it's an easy, clear way to 'draw the line' as to who can and can't vote.

How else would you solve the issue, without the solution being overly complex or difficult to enforce?

Muffin` · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:02

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-uk-liabilities-currency-union-independence

How is this an acceptable level of discussion for a decision as massive as this?

'We refuse any of this debt because we don't get a say'
'Hi Bond markets? We'd like a loan'
'What do you mean *** off?'

Burnsy2023 · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:04

Muffin` said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-uk-liabilities-currency-union-independence

How is this an acceptable level of discussion for a decision as massive as this?

'We refuse any of this debt because we don't get a say'
'Hi Bond markets? We'd like a loan'
'What do you mean *** off?'

It's posturing. They may not have a choice in the matter.

JeditOjanen · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:06

Thompson_NCL said:
I am sincerely hoping that the SNP lose the referendum, as I am a staunch unionist. However, if they do win, what passport should I take? I consider myself Scottish, but I have no desire to be part of a state which refused me the right to vote on my nations future. I also resent that an English/Irish/Dutch/ person who lives in Scotland can vote on the issue and still retain their respective nationality. It just seems like a way for the SNP to bolster their numbers.

Keep a UK passport. Nobody with any sense will want to live in Salmond's Scotland.

Muffin` · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:09

Burnsy2023 said:
It's posturing. They may not have a choice in the matter.

That's my point, political posturing is not what any Scottish individual should stand for, Facts and Process should be the only things coming out of the Yes campaign.

Destination · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:10

Thompson_NCL said:
I was born in Scotland, but live in England. As such, I am ineligible to vote in the referendum, but am automatically entitled to a passport if they achieve independence.

Someone who was born in England, but lives in Scotland, is entitled to vote in the referendum, but not automatically entitled to a Scottish passport.

I am sincerely hoping that the SNP lose the referendum, as I am a staunch unionist. However, if they do win, what passport should I take? I consider myself Scottish, but I have no desire to be part of a state which refused me the right to vote on my nations future. I also resent that an English/Irish/Dutch/ person who lives in Scotland can vote on the issue and still retain their respective nationality. It just seems like a way for the SNP to bolster their numbers.

AYE!
Imagine the future of a region being determined by those who actually live there, rather than those who buggered off....

braveheart · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:14

Uk has been so long since 1707 so it time for scotland go free from uk also when i was stay i england for few daysand the went to shop but refused scottish money which is same as english.. i think it time for future for scotland and i would go for yes..

alx · 26 Nov 2013 at 13:14

Hikari Kisugi said:
AYE!
Imagine the future of a region being determined by those who actually live there, rather than those who buggered off....

But on the flip side, people like me who are English through and through can vote because I live here.

Although I suppose a vote on independence is going to affect those most who live in Scotland.